fse10 Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 So it would seem that from October 2018 Kent police will now also req medical info verified by their GP with applications & renewals. Seems good old BASC political route is working NOT. Won't be long before Essex jump on along with every other force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajarrett Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 The Police and Crime Commissioner for Kent told me yesterday that it was now up to government to provide clarity about what it wants police authorities to do. He said Kent would still issue certificates within 40 days. Now up to national representative bodies to carry out that fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 Apres nous trois le deluge, I fear. With apologies to Louis XV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 It's probably a good idea to lapse BASC membership to pay for your medical report . At least that way you may feel you are not wasting two lots of money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Ajarrett said: The Police and Crime Commissioner for Kent told me yesterday that it was now up to government to provide clarity about what it wants police authorities to do. He said Kent would still issue certificates within 40 days. Now up to national representative bodies to carry out that fight. I don't hold out much hope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 BASC can only lobby, they have no political strength or any kind of magic powers to fight this. Not sure why people are blaming them for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 50 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said: Not sure why people are blaming them for this. listen for the sound of grinding axes then you will know, but at least they are doing more than the others, little as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 Sound of heads banging against a wall, I fear. These are of the same ilk as the blunt knife judge remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 48 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: listen for the sound of grinding axes then you will know, but at least they are doing more than the others, little as it is. As I said, they have no real power, all they can do is lobby against it. They have sought advice abd have stood firm in saying we should not have to pay. If the rules come in and make us im unsure how it is BASC we blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryman Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Meanwhile in city near you gangs are shooting and stabbing each other to death, but hey let's concentrate on more red tape for tha law abiding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 47 minutes ago, countryman said: Meanwhile in city near you gangs are shooting and stabbing each other to death, but hey let's concentrate on more red tape for tha law abiding. Easier to do that though, than try and find the ilegal ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 Shooting Egg , I think you may be haddled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) 23 hours ago, ShootingEgg said: Easier to do that though, than try and find the ilegal ones. +1 Edited June 2, 2018 by mossy835 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Salopian said: Shooting Egg , I think you may be haddled? How so? Just saying its easier for them to slap more rules on us than it is for them to tackle an ever increasing issue on our streets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 On 31/05/2018 at 17:27, Salopian said: It's probably a good idea to lapse BASC membership to pay for your medical report . At least that way you may feel you are not wasting two lots of money? +1 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 On 31/05/2018 at 16:22, Ajarrett said: The Police and Crime Commissioner for Kent told me yesterday that it was now up to government to provide clarity about what it wants police authorities to do. He said Kent would still issue certificates within 40 days. Now up to national representative bodies to carry out that fight. I thought the government had already clarified what the police should be doing, but some forces seam to ignore it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveboy Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 If the police are making people pay illegally then BASC should help a member who has been affected sue the police through the small claims court for their money back. If the claim is successful then it should be made public. This would cost BASC next to nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 (edited) On 31 May 2018 at 16:22, Ajarrett said: The Police and Crime Commissioner for Kent told me yesterday that it was now up to government to provide clarity about what it wants police authorities to do. He said Kent would still issue certificates within 40 days. Now up to national representative bodies to carry out that fight. This would appear not to be the case, as a bit on local TV yesterday cited Kent Police as requiring a medical certificate from doctors before issuing new or renewed shotgun and firearm certificates. Unless of course this was 'fake' news. OB Edited June 6, 2018 by Old Boggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spot on Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 devon and cornwall police have a form printed out for doctors ..had my medical last year ..and they do look back into your past history medical reports.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 49 minutes ago, spot on said: devon and cornwall police have a form printed out for doctors ..had my medical last year ..and they do look back into your past history medical reports.. It’s worth pointing out.....again, that the police are only privy to a GP’s report as supplied by your GP, regarding matters which may be pertinent to the grant of a ticket. There is no rozzer sat at a desk sifting through anyone’s personal medical history, as is the impression often given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajarrett Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 He said Kent would still issue certificates within 40 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 15 hours ago, Old Boggy said: This would appear not to be the case, as a bit on local TV yesterday cited Kent Police as requiring a medical certificate from doctors before issuing new or renewed shotgun and firearm certificates. Unless of course this was 'fake' news. OB 41 minutes ago, Ajarrett said: He said Kent would still issue certificates within 40 days. Simply out of interest because I'm confused but would just like to know who is telling it as it is. Should it transpire that there is nothing to report in an applicant's medical records and he/she has followed BASC's advice and refused to pay the medic, then on one hand we're told that he/she would get his/her certificate regardless within 40 days, but on the other because he/she refused to pay and therefore the medic wouldn't play ball and consequently without the medical certificate which the Kent Police require as a prerequisite for the issue thereof, then he/she won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 (edited) Whatever..... it is still contrary to agreed home office guidance! If the police do not get a response from an applicants GP within 21 days then the certificate is granted in default! That's my understanding anyway! I suspect the whole issue regarding GP's reports has been seized upon by the police to deliberately, amongst other things, further slow the whole process down! The much reported delay to renew a certificate is absolutely ridiculous!.......More than three months on many occasions....It seems reasonable to conclude the police do not want private ownership of guns, so they are quietly doing everything they can to delay the process in the hope that many gun owners/shooters will just give up! Edited June 7, 2018 by panoma1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 11 hours ago, Ajarrett said: He said Kent would still issue certificates within 40 days. Is this regardless of whether the applicants medical records have been obtained by Kent or not ? As stated above, the home office guidelines currently state that if not received from a GP in 21 days, then the certificate will be issued. Presumably then, the 40 days as quoted, is Kent's committment to the time period from receipt of application to issue of certificate. Since the appointment of Matthew Scott as PCC from the previous 'anti gun' encumbent AB, things have improved dramatically, so at least we should be grateful for that. Renewal times down to 40 days from 6-12 months with the added administration of issuing Section 7 temporary permits has got to be a vast improvement. It will therefore be interesting to see what happens after the 'reported' date of October, when Kent are 'reported' to be introducing their own interpretation of current guidelines. OB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benkent Posted June 12, 2018 Report Share Posted June 12, 2018 What does this medical report involve exactly? They already have access to your doc notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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