Hamster Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 I can't remember if I've asked this before ? but really need to sort out a gizmo to give me the ability to put one or at most two charges into my FAC Wildcat away from home. The problem is one of my most productive shoots is a dairy farm where I could literally spend all day killing magpies, crows, rats, collard doves and the 60 odd shots soon run out which presently means I have to take my 300 bar bottle, ? it also means I can't plink or do much ammo testing either ! Having looked at smaller ones even the cheapest is still £150 odd and bulkier than I would ideally wish for, are there better options out there ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyboy1950 Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) Only option I can think of is to use a Pump. As a second thought, I am not familiar with your rifle but possibly changing your on board air cylinder with a spare already charged. I have several spare ones for my air arms, though I always carry my Big air cylinder. Edited June 14, 2018 by Flyboy1950 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Flyboy1950 said: Only option I can think of is to use a Pump. hello, as above, £40 off ebay many on the airgun forum are buying these, 282449414185 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted June 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 I can stretch the budget to over a £100 if need be but really want something that holds air but isn't heavy or bulky, I seem to recall someone saying there was some sort of super small bottle available ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) Hamster you need a draeger emergency escape breathing set carbon fiber bottle. Link for you to a little bottle.https://www.bestfittings.co.uk/product-category/airgun-charging-equipment/cylinder-accessories/airgun-charging-cylinders/ Edited June 14, 2018 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 2 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, as above, £40 off ebay many on the airgun forum are buying these, 282449414185 Looks like this is it? Still bordering on heart attack potential!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 Best fitting do a 500 cc bottle .with whip . But in my experience .they just dont have enough air volume to fill a gun up. I tried one on my 100 cc scorpion and it failed to fill the gun to 240 bar . This was from a bottle pressure of around 275bar . Your best with a pump . I pump my .25 cal fx wildcat up .and that has 300 cc of air as opposed to the 230 cc from the .22 fx . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 Just leave the air cylinder in the car and have a 5 min break every 60 shots or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted June 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 2 hours ago, GingerCat said: Just leave the air cylinder in the car and have a 5 min break every 60 shots or so. It's not only silly heavy but impractical too because it takes too much room and I keep having to place strategic cushions all round it. 4 hours ago, figgy said: Hamster you need a draeger emergency escape breathing set carbon fiber bottle. Link for you to a little bottle.https://www.bestfittings.co.uk/product-category/airgun-charging-equipment/cylinder-accessories/airgun-charging-cylinders/ That looks good but I suspect it won't quite be up to it as Ultrastu seems to suggest. I may eventually be forced to buy a half size something or other, the carbon ones look great and having seen them up close are lovely and light but getting on £300 ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Hamster said: It's not only silly heavy but impractical too because it takes too much room and I keep having to place strategic cushions all round it. Mine would easily fit in a footwell and I get it charged about once every 9 months or so. From at least a full fill every month this provides about 60 shots or so a session. Suspect You could charge the smaller one from the larger if you liked. If your shooting more than that you'll hurt yourself with a pump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 15 hours ago, Hamster said: It's not only silly heavy but impractical too because it takes too much room and I keep having to place strategic cushions all round it. That looks good but I suspect it won't quite be up to it as Ultrastu seems to suggest. I may eventually be forced to buy a half size something or other, the carbon ones look great and having seen them up close are lovely and light but getting on £300 ! Hamster the little one is £145.00 and say it gives 1.5 refills on a AA s400 the larger carbon fiber one gives 6 refills at £245 inc vat. As i wrote earlier post an escape set breathing air carbon fiber bottle would be your cheapest option if you could get hold of one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 hello, try your nearest dive centre they sometimes sell 300 bar cylinders refurbished with guage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) 22 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, as above, £40 off ebay many on the airgun forum are buying these, 282449414185 hello, your wildcat has a 232BAR fill for 60 shots, you could try finding a small 3 ltr cylinder 300 bar and i think you can fill from a large cylinder, i use to fill my AA 410 from a hand pump, that was a single stage and fairly hard going, the new 3 stage pumps are much easier to use, the one i mentioned on ebay from globeselling100 is less than £40 and 3 stage with good reviews on the UKGF forum, if you go on the air rifle section on here a PW member has or is going to buy one so its worth looking at his views, , PW member stut4 has just mentioned on his post purchasing the pump i mentioned, he was pleased with the pump, if you do not let your rifle get to low on air it should not be to much effort to top up, Edited June 15, 2018 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manthing Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 I have a mate that uses a pump and he tells me the way to avoid a heart attack is to use your body weight rather than your muscle to pump the pump. I've never seen him doing this because I'm usually off shooting after filling mine from the divers tank. Lol. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 OK I only have an AA S200 to fill but I use a pump and find I can easily fill to 190 without any overdue exhaustion. I'm creeping up to 78yrs by the way. I also shoot farm yards and yes it can get busy. I would take my pump and it takes but a couple of minutes to top up. As manthing says technique is all important to using a pump efficiently using upper body weight on the last important part of the fill stroke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 I would have thought a pump was the easiest and cheapest way to go, i cant imagine you pumping up more than once on a session. It won't be rolling around and how often are you going to shoot 120 shots a session? If that's the case on a regular session i would look at another rifle maybe or take two with you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Often people advocate ."topping up "the gun with a pump so as to avoid a big session filling from empty to full .. Well this doesnt make any sense at all if your trying to avoid the hard work of filling. .Take your average pcp . It runs from 200 bar down to 100 bar . And gives say 60 shots. .now this gun will fire around 35 shots in the 200 - 150 bar section and 25 in the 150 - 100 bar section .BUT when it comes to pumping up the gun .the easiest bit is filling from 100 bar to 150 bar .and it get increasingly difficult as the pressure increases .. So it you want to save the hard work .only pump to say 170 bar and shoot 35 - 40 shots. And then repump . Just topping up the tricky high bar hard section is daft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted June 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: Often people advocate ."topping up "the gun with a pump so as to avoid a big session filling from empty to full .. Well this doesnt make any sense at all if your trying to avoid the hard work of filling. .Take your average pcp . It runs from 200 bar down to 100 bar . And gives say 60 shots. .now this gun will fire around 35 shots in the 200 - 150 bar section and 25 in the 150 - 100 bar section .BUT when it comes to pumping up the gun .the easiest bit is filling from 100 bar to 150 bar .and it get increasingly difficult as the pressure increases .. So it you want to save the hard work .only pump to say 170 bar and shoot 35 - 40 shots. And then repump . Just topping up the tricky high bar hard section is daft. I agree, personally though I just don't get the hand pump thing at all, the whole point of a pcp power plant is its ease of use compared to say a break barrel. The dairy farm I have in mind is pretty much dirty every which way you turn, in winter wellies are an absolute must because even the vehicle tracks have deep mud, I would struggle to think of a place I'd want to put the pump down on the ground to get pumping ! The reason I want to get a small 2-3 charge filler is to be able to plink/zero/kill as much as I want without worrying about running out of air, the effort it takes to pump the gun I might as well heave the big cylinder into the back and be done in 30 seconds, methinks a small (maybe 2nd hand) small bottle is the best choice here. Edited June 17, 2018 by Hamster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spot on Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 got a friend up the valley I believe he has a couple of ministry divers bottles "he was a commercial diver" asking price is £30 apiece ..they would need an adaptor . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.20 Hunter Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 I’d say, get a 300 bar 3ltr. There is no way, you will be able to shoot properly within ten mins using a pump. Or buy a FAC springer, and use that. Self contained. No messing about with pumps, and dive bottles needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, Hamster said: I agree, personally though I just don't get the hand pump thing at all, the whole point of a pcp power plant is its ease of use compared to say a break barrel. The dairy farm I have in mind is pretty much dirty every which way you turn, in winter wellies are an absolute must because even the vehicle tracks have deep mud, I would struggle to think of a place I'd want to put the pump down on the ground to get pumping ! The reason I want to get a small 2-3 charge filler is to be able to plink/zero/kill as much as I want without worrying about running out of air, the effort it takes to pump the gun I might as well heave the big cylinder into the back and be done in 30 seconds, methinks a small (maybe 2nd hand) small bottle is the best choice here. hello, in that case i would look for a 300 bar 3 ltr cylinder, keep a look out on all the forums/ free ads/ or try a dive centre, go dive are selling one complete with guage and hose at £135 thats 29% off normal price including free shipping to most parts of UK Edited June 18, 2018 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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