kennett Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 Morning all, after a bit of advice to make sure I'm not being unreasonable. We have our horses in paddocks belonging to a friend which are separated from a clay ground by a small belt of trees. The shooting it's self doesn't bother the horses in the slightest, but several times now my wife, daughter and horses have been hit by shot which left red marks, full and smashed clays. As far as im aware fall out from any shooting shouldn't leave the boundary of your land? I was hoping to have a chat to ask them to angle the traps slightly to avoid the worst of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) A firm chat will the clay ground owner/operator is in order. Any and all 'fallout' from the clay ground should have been assessed and avoided at the outset. Edited June 22, 2018 by Good shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
243deer Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 pm sent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longstrider Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 By allowing the fall of shot to pass their boundary the clay ground are actually breaking the law. A firm word is indeed needed, and if that fails then a discussion (in writing) on the subject of lead contamination of your land, possible personal injury claims and the like will very quickly see them avoid this happening in the future I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 usually a 350 yard margin is recommended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 Most clay grounds only allow no6 shot and smaller . If some one loads up with 3 or 4s then the max range with a tail wind can be significant and still carry a fair bit of energy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 3 hours ago, kennett said: Morning all, after a bit of advice to make sure I'm not being unreasonable. We have our horses in paddocks belonging to a friend which are separated from a clay ground by a small belt of trees. The shooting it's self doesn't bother the horses in the slightest, but several times now my wife, daughter and horses have been hit by shot which left red marks, full and smashed clays. As far as im aware fall out from any shooting shouldn't leave the boundary of your land? I was hoping to have a chat to ask them to angle the traps slightly to avoid the worst of it You should not have to avoid ANY OF IT! Watching this one with interest, please let us know how it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 3 hours ago, kennett said: Morning all, after a bit of advice to make sure I'm not being unreasonable. We have our horses in paddocks belonging to a friend which are separated from a clay ground by a small belt of trees. The shooting it's self doesn't bother the horses in the slightest, but several times now my wife, daughter and horses have been hit by shot which left red marks, full and smashed clays. As far as im aware fall out from any shooting shouldn't leave the boundary of your land? I was hoping to have a chat to ask them to angle the traps slightly to avoid the worst of it What is the land owners view on this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 Hi does your land owner also own the clay ground land ? Or has he/she given permission for the fallout to land on the ground that you’re currently using for the animals although I think a nice polite chat is the best way forward in this situation all the best of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tollerman Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 Reminds me of an incident a few years ago on a Sunday morning clay shoot.A woman came into the shoot with a bleeding hand .She had been in the commercial yard next door showing her new car to a friend and been shot by some idiot .The organisers response ' didn't think anyone would be there on a Sunday'. No initial apology it was as though it was her fault for being there! Strangely enough the shoot is still going although I never went there again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted June 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 The land owner doesn't own the land next door, it's in an old sand quarry which they rent from the surrounding farm. Our friend hasn't given permission for them to shoot onto his land and by all accounts he isn't very happy. so I'm guessing they are in pretty dodgy territory. 3 hours ago, AYA117 said: What is the land owners view on this ? 3 hours ago, Old farrier said: Hi does your land owner also own the clay ground land ? Or has he/she given permission for the fallout to land on the ground that you’re currently using for the animals although I think a nice polite chat is the best way forward in this situation all the best of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 Well he maybe not aware of the situation and a quiet talk with him maybe resolve the issue far better than going in with all Guns blazing just my thoughts of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Old farrier said: Well he maybe not aware of the situation and a quiet talk with him maybe resolve the issue far better than going in with all Guns blazing just my thoughts of Not much of a shoot organiser if he is not aware of where his clays and the lead are falling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haynes Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 I find a frielndly word often brings better results quicker. Be nice for now....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 If you start off being nice, you can always turn nasty. Likewise, if you start off nasty, you have one hell of a job reversing, should you for any reason, need to ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 hour ago, haynes said: I find a frielndly word often brings better results quicker. Be nice for now....... +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 10 hours ago, grahamch said: usually a 350 yard margin is recommended 275m or 300 yards is the normal figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 Odd isn't it, someone put a 'would you take this shot' post on here and was verbally lynched for it. Here we have a case of clearly stupid and unlawful conduct and the general reply is take a soft approach. Why no calls for contacting the Police, FEO or strong words of disapproval. All that take part on this clay shoot are breaking the law, not just those that run it. Or is clay shooting exempt from condemnation ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornfree Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 Next Thursday pop over to the shoot and ask for Darren. And explain your concerns I am sure he can change the targets to prevent the problems you are having. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 Why isn't Darren' aware ? Surely he knows how far is boundary is ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 17 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Not much of a shoot organiser if he is not aware of where his clays and the lead are falling! Thought that was fairly obvious that’s why I suggested a quiet educational approach ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddoakley Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 23 hours ago, kennett said: so I'm guessing they are in pretty dodgy territory. Dodgy doesnt come close. They are without doubt acting illegally if all is as you have said. No exceptions to pellets leaving your boundary, clay shoot or not. I would make them aware of the situation and see how they respond. If they do not stop shooting immediately (and i do mean the very second that they are told) then I would call the police. An injury to someone using your ground would be yet another publicity nightmare for shootings sports. Watching with interest. Edd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 Speak to the shoot owner/organiser explain calmly that shot is falling onto people and animals. If they do not want to do anything to alleviate the problem then contact the local council. The shooting will stop permanently then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted June 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 I will go and have a quiet word, and report back. Apparently it has been brought up by our friend/the paddock owner in the past but evidently not a lot has changed, although it could be different organisers since then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) A bit of a quandary really, because if the organiser doesn't take any notice then he could find his shoot being closed down. And what shooters amongst us want to be responsibility for closing down a small clay shoot. We have enough antis trying to do that already. Have a word with the organiser and if he isn't willing to alter anything then tell him you will call the police and tell them that you are being hit by lead shot. (That SHOULD really frighten the bejasus out of him) I simply can't understand any shoot allowing shot to fall outside their own boundaries. Edited June 23, 2018 by Graham M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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