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Petition against Offensive Weapons Bill Ch6 Clauses


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26 minutes ago, LeadWasp said:

just sharing

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/223361

A guide to the relevant sections of the Act is to be found here https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2017-2019/0232/en/18232en.pdf

 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/222776

Is this the one as your link isn't working?

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Chapter 6: Prohibition of certain firearms
Clause 28: Prohibition of certain firearms etc: England and Wales and Scotland 130  Section 5 of the Firearms Act 1968 sets out a list of prohibited weapons. These are subject to more rigorous controls than other firearms, and the possession of a prohibited weapon is unlawful without the authority of the Secretary of State.
131  Clause 28 amends this list to include: 

rifles that can discharge a shot bullet or other missile with kinetic energy of more than 13,600 joules at the muzzle of the weapon;

chambered weapons (other than rifles chambered for 0.22 rim-fire cartridges) from which

 
These Explanatory Notes relate to the Offensive Weapons Bill as introduced in the House of Commons on 20 June 2018 (Bill 232) 
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cartridge cases are extracted using energy from propellant gas or from energy imparted to an energy storage device by propellant gas

 

 

Perhaps someone can expand on this. Semi auto gas shotguns sprang to mind, as they have a chamber and shells are extracted via the gas tapped from the barrel.

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Hopefully the use of the word "rifles" i.e 

 

rifles that can discharge a shot bullet or other missile with kinetic energy of more than 13,600 joules at the muzzle of the weapon;

chambered weapons (other than rifles chambered for 0.22 rim-fire cartridges) from which

 
These Explanatory Notes relate to the Offensive Weapons Bill as introduced in the House of Commons on 20 June 2018 (Bill 232) 
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cartridge cases are extracted using energy from propellant gas or from energy imparted to an energy storage device by propellant gas

 

 

Should allow Semi-Auto Shotguns to be held.

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2 minutes ago, stumfelter said:

I'm reading it the rifle bit refers to muzzle energy and the bit about using propellant gas for cycling refers to chambered weapons which would certainly include shotguns. Should we all buy inertia operated semis like benellis.

But chambered weapons comes in the next line following a semi-colon.

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The chambered weapons but bothers me as they can easily mean gas operated semi auto shotguns. If they meant rifles they would say chambered rifles but they have delibratly chosen the word weapons having already chosen rifles above so as to further make the distinction. 

 Perhaps it could be argued that the inertia operated weapons are only so due to the gas working on the rotating block (energy storage device?) causing it to cycle as opposed to a piston. 

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Whatever this bill does or doesn't cover NOW is irrelevant. If this legislation passes it will be catestrophic for the entire shooting community, including the 'i'm-alright-jacks' who will be anything but.

 

The vast majority of firearms legislation in this c9ountry has been a response to one-off events which gave credence that the type of firearm concerns was a 'problem'. THIS legislation is solely based on 'what if' a criminal/terrorist uses a particular type of gun and will set a precedent that cannot be undone. If it goes through the police/government can then just pick and chose gun types at will using the excuse that "they have intelligence" that terrorists want to obtain 'xyz' gun so we're going to ban it just in case....

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46 minutes ago, Breastman said:

If this legislation passes it will be catestrophic for the entire shooting community, including the 'i'm-alright-jacks' who will be anything but.

Quite. Once specific firearms can be banned on the grounds of their potential to do harm, it's game over. ALL firearms are potentially lethal and fall under this category. To keep the banning types at bay, it's absolutely necessary to insist on a demonstrable proven risk or danger. And even then it's bad enough.

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  • 2 weeks later...

Well the discussions have begun and already they're talking about things that weren't even mentioned up until now, namely making ALL ammunition components licesable i.e. You will need to have components - primers, cases and bullets on your certificate, have to show your certificate to buy powder AND store them all, even if separate in a safe. Still think this isn't going to affect you?

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On 20/07/2018 at 10:27, Breastman said:

Well the discussions have begun and already they're talking about things that weren't even mentioned up until now, namely making ALL ammunition components licesable i.e. You will need to have components - primers, cases and bullets on your certificate, have to show your certificate to buy powder AND store them all, even if separate in a safe. Still think this isn't going to affect you?

Can you tell me where you heard/saw this?  Thanks.

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Found it - in discussion with Vicky Foxcroft and Gregg Taylor (NABIS).

GT " there is a lack of control and legislation around purchasing and acquiring ammunition components"

VF "so your feedback is that it might be useful to extend the bill to cover all ammunition and other parts and components"

After having just moved expanding ammuntion off S5...............good grief!!

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