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52 minutes ago, oowee said:

Members do what is agreed or face sanction. Nothing wrong with that. The members set the policy. 

Ah I see...
So when they signed up to the quota system ( which is supposed to be an emergency power for extenuating  situations, AND under duress) they knew that Merkel was going to open the doors to 1m + migrants shortly afterwards, rolling through Greece and the Balkans , heading for the land of bratwurst and beer.
Where they would swiftly be allocated homes in Eastern Europe by the 10s of 1000s .

So if that was the plan, and they knew all about it, and agreed to it , why are they refusing to play along with it ?

For the sake of confusion , or someone saying they dont honour deals or changed their mind ect.
That wasnt what they signed up for,  Merkel decided to invite them in , then decided Germany didnt want all of them, so was going to share them out, which was nice of her.
A bit of diversity sharing.. whether you like it or not :hmm:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/world/europe/eu-migrants-hungary-slovakia.html

A summary of the judgment said the Court of Justice had dismissed “in their entirety the actions brought by Slovakia and Hungary.” The quota program was “necessary to respond effectively and swiftly to an emergency situation characterized by a sudden inflow of displaced persons,” the court said.

An emergency situation directly caused by Merkel inviting them over.

Many member states were lukewarm toward the quota plan from the start, but Hungary and Slovakia stood out by openly spurning their quota requirements and trying to overturn them. A looming question is whether the European Commission, the bloc’s administrative arm, will renew the relocation program.

More than one million migrants have applied for asylum in Germany, whose foreign minister, Sigmar Gabriel, welcomed the ruling on Wednesday as “explicitly clear,” emphasizing that all European Union members would now be expected to accept their quota of refugees.

https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/12/france-and-germany-tell-eu-states-to-take-refugees-or-pay/

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2 hours ago, Rewulf said:

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You mean like the Visigrad group , who have rejected third world immigration quotas ?
The group that is about to be sanctioned by the EU for not doing as its told ?
Also the group of countries that have taken most financial benefits from EU membership, yet with Brussels holding the purse strings are still defiant ?
The EU doesnt take 'No's ' it expects obedience, economically DEMANDS it.
Give it its own army , under the control of the commission, and youve got all the ingredients to turn the clock back 80 years.

Agreed,history has a nasty habit of repeating itself !

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And THAT Laidies and genulmen is why so many voted out - so we don't have to dutifully accept the new non European Europeans.

The country is broke as it is and we simply cannot afford to have them thrust on us to further plunder our finances. EU has done its level best to strip UK of its industrial ability to produce wealth.

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58 minutes ago, oowee said:

Members do what is agreed or face sanction. Nothing wrong with that. The members set the policy. 

"Nothing wrong with that"

And who gets to decide? It's not the voters in the member states, or even their elected leaders, it's unelected bureaucrats, so while you can't see anything wrong, I can't see anything right with that.

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22 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

They are piling it on at he moment so much it is becoming laughable (www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-46480666)

15 minutes ago, oowee said:

You think so?

The French may try it on, however once it hits them in the pocket, and it will fairly quickly things will change rapidly.  As said before, which oowee continuously and studiously ignores, they sell us more than we sell them and what they do buy generally is what they cannot source elsewhere anywhere near as cheaply.

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1 minute ago, Yellow Bear said:

They are piling it on at he moment so much it is becoming laughable (www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-46480666)

The French may try it on, however once it hits them in the pocket, and it will fairly quickly things will change rapidly.  As said before, which oowee continuously and studiously ignores, they sell us more than we sell them and what they do buy generally is what they cannot source elsewhere anywhere near as cheaply.

Oh dear. 

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I'm sure there will be delays at ports. There will be other problems too. However they're not the end of the world and we will get over them. If you want to look on the positive side it will create new job opportunities.

Nothing worthwhile ever came easy. You can't expect a major political change to not cause a few problems. But that's for those in power to sort out.

 

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8 hours ago, oowee said:

Its not unreasonable to imagine a that a coalition of leaders from Eastern Europe with the support of the larger voting power of the UK could have been significant in turning policy on immigration and modernisation within the European Council. 

The power of the socialist and democratic groups within the Union would be a problem but new groups can be formed where there is a policy driver from the Council itself. 

Given time I am sure we will get over it although the costs are rising which will increase the lag time. 

Again...seriously!

They possibly ‘could have been significant’, but the point and the fact is though, that they weren’t. There is still no other leader who is rocking the boat like Farage did. 

Only Farage did something, and over the many years it has taken him he has been ridiculed by other member country leaders, ridiculed by the leaders of political parties in his own country, ridiculed and accused of being a racist by his own countries media and many others. They derided him and laughed at him, but they ain’t laughing now. 

To those who seriously believe we should have stayed and worked from within, I can only assume you’ve been on the moon for the last ten years or so. 

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Brexit good news on the jobs front.  £104m has been spent by the Government to date on staffing costs, for the 650 new staff recruited to deal with Brexit, since referendum . Not sure what they have been doing as I see the new settled status app only works on Android. Why did they not check it before? They are taking on a few more staff now so that will help. A further £700k spent on furniture for a new office in leeds for Brexit prep creating a further 1000 new jobs has been announced. Job creation where it's most needed. Who said Brexit is all bad news?

Looks like they will have plenty of work to do as the Government is saying only 10% of the required vehicle permits are available for the 40000 trucks. Then again maybe they wont all be needed, with the launch of two new ships including the 'Brexit Buster' Celine  launched to take freight directly from Ireland to Spain and Belguim. That should ease the congestion a bit and help keep freight off UK roads

Speaking of new jobs there should be plenty  of opportunity in the NHS as they are setting aside £490m for managing the new visa entry scheme for staff.

Lucky for us it's all project fear.

 

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2 hours ago, oowee said:

Members do what is agreed or face sanction. Nothing wrong with that. The members set the policy. 

It's the very core of what is wrong with it. If we were only talking about some matter of trade, then yes, that would be fine. However, we are not. We are talking about the democratically elected government of a country following through on promises that were presumably part of why they were elected. They are then sanctioned for following the demos of their country.

How can that ever be right? The answer is, only if you are a federalist. If you don't mind your political will being overturned by a bunch of marginally democratically elected bureaucrats who have probably never heard of the place you live in, and even if they have they don't give a dam about it (unless they have some investment there of course).

However, strangely enough, that idea doesn't appeal to me. 

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2 hours ago, Dave-G said:

And THAT Laidies and genulmen is why so many voted out - so we don't have to dutifully accept the new non European Europeans.

The country is broke as it is and we simply cannot afford to have them thrust on us to further plunder our finances. EU has done its level best to strip UK of its industrial ability to produce wealth.

Surely that's just how it works to create a super state?

Remove the ability to create wealth and subjugate them further by allocating loans that are impossible to repay? A cheaper way than tried before?

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12 minutes ago, oowee said:

Brexit good news on the jobs front.  £104m has been spent by the Government to date on staffing costs, for the 650 new staff recruited to deal with Brexit, since referendum . Not sure what they have been doing as I see the new settled status app only works on Android. Why did they not check it before? They are taking on a few more staff now so that will help. A further £700k spent on furniture for a new office in leeds for Brexit prep creating a further 1000 new jobs has been announced. Job creation where it's most needed. Who said Brexit is all bad news?

Looks like they will have plenty of work to do as the Government is saying only 10% of the required vehicle permits are available for the 40000 trucks. Then again maybe they wont all be needed, with the launch of two new ships including the 'Brexit Buster' Celine  launched to take freight directly from Ireland to Spain and Belguim. That should ease the congestion a bit and help keep freight off UK roads

Speaking of new jobs there should be plenty  of opportunity in the NHS as they are setting aside £490m for managing the new visa entry scheme for staff.

Lucky for us it's all project fear.

 

See, it’s not all bad news! 👍 It’s a drop in the ocean compared to what the EU want off us for leaving! I still haven’t figured out what that payment is for nor why we’re even considering paying it. 🤔

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1 hour ago, Danger-Mouse said:

I'm sure there will be delays at ports. There will be other problems too. However they're not the end of the world and we will get over them. If you want to look on the positive side it will create new job opportunities.

Nothing worthwhile ever came easy. You can't expect a major political change to not cause a few problems. But that's for those in power to sort out.

 

But how many northern ports are hardly used now, because the southern ones are so close to france, new trade around the world opens up northern ports to work and jobs. Oh **** that positive slur, I'll get back in my box... 

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I have an idea! If Mays "deal"  is accepted, we could then sell off the Palace of Westminster, sack all the MP's and disband the House of Lords.......after all, they will be obsolete! We will be ruled by the EU.........so why do we need two political houses with no purpose, no power and no relevance? Think of the saving to the public purse without these leeches hoovering up our money?

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19 minutes ago, Scully said:

See, it’s not all bad news! 👍 It’s a drop in the ocean compared to what the EU want off us for leaving! I still haven’t figured out what that payment is for nor why we’re even considering paying it. 🤔

Simply to keep their trough topped up to overflowing for the next 50 years and allow them to create their army.

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Just now, Scully said:

See, it’s not all bad news! 👍 It’s a drop in the ocean compared to what the EU want off us for leaving! I still haven’t figured out what that payment is for nor why we’re even considering paying it. 🤔

Don't get me started on that. Where is the breakdown of the calculation? I can see the principles. It's also paid in Euro's so expect the bill to go up if we have a hard Brexit no deal scenario or down a bit depending on the finance requirements and commitments at the end 2020

 

4 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said:

But how many northern ports are hardly used now, because the southern ones are so close to france, new trade around the world opens up northern ports to work and jobs. Oh **** that positive slur, I'll get back in my box... 

Yep those ports will be handy for..........Well they will be handy any way as spares and should we need them for our enlarged fishing fleet.

Opening northern ports may help to off set some of the job moves out of the Uk. Thredneedle, Standard Life, lloyds, RBS, Legal and General, DLA Piper, Shadow Robot, Easy Jet, Ferrovial, Arch Capital, Tokio Marrine, Aviva, Nomura, Scisys................. etc. Still looking on the bright side it will cut down on the need for extra staff at the Inland Revenue.

I hear the decision on Article 50 will be announced by the EU on Monday. Could cause the rebellion to be a rout. 

 

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On 06/12/2018 at 10:09, sandspider said:

My MP (a leaver) is going to back May's deal. He says that's still a better option than no Brexit at all, which he thinks is the alternative. I'm not sure myself...

Neither do I.

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3 minutes ago, oowee said:

Don't get me started on that. Where is the breakdown of the calculation? I can see the principles. It's also paid in Euro's so expect the bill to go up if we have a hard Brexit no deal scenario or down a bit depending on the finance requirements and commitments at the end 2020

 

 

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27 minutes ago, panoma1 said:

I have an idea! If Mays "deal"  is accepted, we could then sell off the Palace of Westminster, sack all the MP's and disband the House of Lords.......after all, they will be obsolete! We will be ruled by the EU.........so why do we need two political houses with no purpose, no power and no relevance? Think of the saving to the public purse without these leeches hoovering up our money?

Good idea, I concur.

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