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28 minutes ago, oowee said:

Of course the EU appear to have given little they are surprise surprise sticking to their integrity. 

The quitters were saying from the start that the EU HAD to do a deal it was in there interest more than ours. Many of us were saying this was rubbish but the quitters would not listen. 

We need to find a compromise in parliament. Everyone except the extremists will only be a little upset .The new working group looks promising. 

Oh please; the EU has no integrity! For a start it’s Congress make up rules and then ignore them when they don’t suit; allowing countries to join without meeting EU criteria being a prime example.

The only leavers claiming they had to do a deal were some of the the politicians; a ‘deal’ wasn’t on the table when the vote was held, so the public must have voted purely on the strength of simply leaving. 

Personally I don’t know if anyone who wants a deal; all my friends who voted out just want to be out, they couldn’t care less about a deal. What’s the worst that could happen? Somebody tell me please. 

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2 minutes ago, Scully said:

Oh please; the EU has no integrity! For a start it’s Congress make up rules and then ignore them when they don’t suit; allowing countries to join without meeting EU criteria being a prime example.

The only leavers claiming they had to do a deal were some of the the politicians; a ‘deal’ wasn’t on the table when the vote was held, so the public must have voted purely on the strength of simply leaving. 

Personally I don’t know if anyone who wants a deal; all my friends who voted out just want to be out, they couldn’t care less about a deal. What’s the worst that could happen? Somebody tell me please. 

Absolutely, I know not one Leaver who wants anything but a No Deal scenario.

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6 minutes ago, JRDS said:

Absolutely, I know not one Leaver who wants anything but a No Deal scenario.

I would prefer a deal - and this (posted a few days ago) is what I would like in a deal

We should;

  • be able to make our own trade deals anywhere without EU involvement/interference
  • cease paying large sums into the EU's coffers for 'membership'
  • have the UK courts as the top level for legal judgement - NOT subject to EU veto/override/supervision
  • have the standard UK Parliament and Royal Ascent process as the only law maker (who may copy/duplicate/mirror other inc. EU laws into UK law if appropriate)
  • take back control over our borders such that WE have control over who comes in to work/live
  • co-operate with the EU to ensure security and law and order, flight safety, travel etc. over 'geographic' Europe including both EU and non EU countries.
  • not have any internal trade borders within the UK (i.e. not between UK member countries)
  • have the ability to comb through and where necessary repeal past law imposed on the UK by the EU

In my view a deal that allowed these without any other 'hidden penalties' would be good for both UK and EU.

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42 minutes ago, oowee said:

they are surprise surprise sticking to their integrity.

Thats actually quite funny when you thin k about it.

 

43 minutes ago, oowee said:

The quitters were saying from the start that the EU HAD to do a deal it was in there interest more than ours.

You confuse European business with the EU , Brussels cares not for German car manufacturers or French wine merchants, they care about the 'integrity' of their gravy train, and its continued existence for as long as possible.
Many leavers thought that European business would make the EU do a deal, in that it would seem, we were wrong, but its just another nail in the EUs coffin.

 

47 minutes ago, oowee said:

We need to find a compromise in parliament. Everyone except the extremists will only be a little upset .The new working group looks promising.

Youre an extremist now if you want no deal ? 🙄 how long till you call them terrorists ?

We dont actually need to find a compromise in parliament, we need parliament to enact the will of the majority vote, and stop trying to reverse Brexit.

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11 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

 

Youre an extremist now if you want no deal ? 🙄 how long till you call them terrorists ?

We dont actually need to find a compromise in parliament, we need parliament to enact the will of the majority vote, and stop trying to reverse Brexit.

Your an extremist if your view is at the far end of a spectrum.  

Very few are trying to reverse Brexit. All hands to the wheel and try and find that compromise for brexit that enacts the majority vote and gives the the country what the majority wants. Too much posturing whilst the country goes down the pan, get us out of this mess and lets get on with business. 

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1 minute ago, oowee said:

Your an extremist if your view is at the far end of a spectrum. 

Actually it depends on which END of the spectrum doesnt it ?
A rabid remainer who wants to STAY in the EU despite its corruption and lies, is an extremist too ?

3 minutes ago, oowee said:

Very few are trying to reverse Brexit.

I find that very hard to swallow, do the maths on who campaigned for leave, against who didnt, then subtract those who are embracing the result, what you have left are the MPs who would love to see the vote reversed.

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11 minutes ago, Scully said:

Can anyone enlighten me?

In one word: Corbyn

In the event that things 'go wrong' immediately after any form of leave, the Government will get the blame.  Then the short memory and stupid electorate is likely to want a change of government and we will end up with what amounts to a pseudo Marxist far left Labour government - led by Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Thornberry etc. 

Brexit in whatever form will almost certainly have a few teething troubles - it is bound to happen - and if it is a 'no deal', the EU - and especially the French (not necessarily the French government, but their farmers, fisherman etc.) may deliberately be obstructive in matters like blockading ports and disrupting the flow of goods.  We will get over it, but it may be sufficiently disruptive to bring down May's fragile minority government ....... and allow a Corbyn led administration into Westminster.

That is your "worst that could happen"

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1 hour ago, Lord v said:

 

The German foreign minister Heiko Maas has said Germany will step up its preparations for any disorderly Brexit, according to Reuters.

He added: "In the coming days and weeks, we will do everything we can so that Britain exits with and not without an agreement."

 

Corbyn is definitely in trouble:

Labour MP Chuka Umunna, who is passionately pro-EU, said Jeremy Corbyn should "of course" meet with Theresa May.

"I don't think there should be any preconditions. And I also think she should drop her red lines," he said.

"By having preconditions for a meeting with the prime minister, does that make it more likely or less likely that you're going to be able to stop no-deal?

"I don't see how not meeting with her is going to increase the chances of stopping no-deal."

I believe Mr Umunna to be the biggest sh*te of them all. He's used every bit of airtime (and he's had a lot courtesy of the biased BBC) to blatantly campaign to remain and do as much scaremongering as he can. As he is so against preconceived ideas and red lines will he also ask Labour to drop it's six tests?

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9 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

In the event that things 'go wrong' immediately after any form of leave, the Government will get the blame.  Then the short memory and stupid electorate is likely to want a change of government and we will end up with what amounts to a pseudo Marxist far left Labour government - led by Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Thornberry etc. 

Personally, I think the genies out the bottle now, the people of this country have seen our politicians at work, or rather not working for what they decided, on both sides of the coin.
So a political shakeup of the landscape is on the cards.

Three-quarters of voters say the crisis-hit EU departure process has shown that the current generation of MPs are “not up to the job”, according to the data from polling firm ComRes. A root-and-branch overhaul of the country’s entire political system is wanted by a massive 72% of people quizzed in the survey. But despite the chaos embroiling Brexit, a majority of voters (53%) still want the result of the 2016 EU Leave vote to be honoured by ensuring the UK’s withdrawal from the bloc and do not want a second referendum to be triggered.

Labour would be very lucky to not come out with significant damage on this, and thats with WHATEVER happens regarding Brexit.
The tories have a chance at redemption if they can make leaving the EU work, but both parties are going to lose constituencies to fringe parties.
Bring it on I say, we might see some integrity come into the house.

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3 minutes ago, toxo said:

I believe Mr Umunna to be the biggest sh*te of them all.

There is something dodgy about Umunna.  It was widely thought that he would stand for the leadership when Ed Milliband resigned - and initially it appeared that he would do so - and very probably win.  Then he suddenly withdrew.  I think someone in Momentum or with Len McLusky or somewhere has some dirt on him.  It was revealed that he belongs to a VERY upmarket and expe=nsive London club where they enjoy fine dining and expensive wines and cigars - but that should be no shame to a good socialist.  McLusky himself is known for his love of expensive dining.

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4 minutes ago, toxo said:

I believe Mr Umunna to be the biggest sh*te of them all. He's used every bit of airtime (and he's had a lot courtesy of the biased BBC) to blatantly campaign to remain and do as much scaremongering as he can. As he is so against preconceived ideas and red lines will he also ask Labour to drop it's six tests?

Hes after the leadership, and will probably get it too, very popular amongst the lady MPs Ive heard 😎

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All the decent remoaners have reluctantly agreed that the democratic vote was to leave. The biggest stumbling block being "the details of how we leave.".

I wonder how the remoaners would react if we had another referendum with "remain" not on the ballot paper? After all, if it's possible to table an amendment to take "no deal " off the table it should be just as easy to table an amendment for no "remain" shouldn't it?

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1 minute ago, toxo said:

I wonder how the remoaners would react if we had another referendum with "remain" not on the ballot paper?

IF we have (and I don't think we should) another referendum - then this should be the question;

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland voted in 2016 in a referendum to leave the EU.  Her Majesty's Government has been negotiating terms of leaving with the EU and those terms have been rejected by the UK Parliament.  In order to achieve the outcome of the previous referendum would you like Her Majesty's Government to proceed to leave:

  • under the terms of the proposed Leave deal
  • under World Trade Organisation terms
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1 minute ago, toxo said:

I wonder how the remoaners would react if we had another referendum with "remain" not on the ballot paper? After all, if it's possible to table an amendment to take "no deal " off the table it should be just as easy to table an amendment for no "remain" shouldn't it?

Sounds good to me , but they would never pass it through the house, it would be like...removing their power..their self created veto.

I honestly would like to see a no deal, I think we can make it work, and make it work very well.
The softer the Brexit , the more expensive it becomes, and less enticing for other countries to follow suit.
The less countries leaving, the more bullying and controlling the EU will become.
They need stopping.

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2 hours ago, oowee said:

Of course the EU appear to have given little they are surprise surprise sticking to their integrity. 

The quitters were saying from the start that the EU HAD to do a deal it was in there interest more than ours. Many of us were saying this was rubbish but the quitters would not listen. 

We need to find a compromise in parliament. Everyone except the extremists will only be a little upset .The new working group looks promising. 

We don't need to compromise at all, no deal would be a fantastic result for the UK, it would of course be disastrous for the EU as we run a 100 billion euro trade deficit in their favour and pay for the privilege. 

The UK voted leave, which means we voted to leave all the rules that being an EU member entailed, Mays deal doesn't deliver on that, so it's either a free trade deal with the EU (I would love to see that) but if they won't see sense then a wto exit would be great. 

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32 minutes ago, toxo said:

I believe Mr Umunna to be the biggest sh*te of them all. He's used every bit of airtime (and he's had a lot courtesy of the biased BBC) to blatantly campaign to remain and do as much scaremongering as he can. As he is so against preconceived ideas and red lines will he also ask Labour to drop it's six tests?

He's a weasel with leadership ambition, but also I believe very close to momentum. 

If he is publically voicing such clear opposition to the dear leader it is very clear the Corbyn needs to watch his back. 

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If you think back to the Labour Leadership Contest Mr Chukka Umanna was a"player" and stood down to apparently "preserve his private life" then Corbyn was added as the joke candidate and the joke backfired!

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1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

If you think back to the Labour Leadership Contest Mr Chukka Umanna was a"player" and stood down to apparently "preserve his private life" then Corbyn was added as the joke candidate and the joke backfired!

I think it is more likely that he was told to stand down "or we will expose something in your private life" ........ and I think that those who added Corbyn were no doubt encouraged by the Momentum hard left and the funding offered by the Unite Union (and other Unions). 

 

6 minutes ago, Lord v said:

with leadership ambition, but also I believe very close to momentum.

Certainly used to have a big leadership ambition,  but I always thought he was not liked by Momentum as he was too close to Blair and Brown.

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This is the crass nastiness of hard line Remainers!

 

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Fanatical Remainers have launched a tasteless website predicting the result of a referendum vote today based on deaths of Leave voting older people. The counter predicts that over a million young people who have turned 18 since 2016 would vote remain, and says 800,000 leave voting older people have died. Their site assumes not one remain person has changed their mind…

This isn’t just a feature of the fringes of the FBPE movement. This is one of theirmainstream arguments. Even today Polly Toynbee has been thoroughly ratio’d on Twitter for her crass suggestion that “the will of dead [is] ruling over the will of the young.”

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Also this week, has-been singer and People’s Vote campaigner ‘Jamelia’ took to the airwaves to argue that there should be a maximum voting age, preventing older people for voting, because “I don’t think it’s fair that you have a vote when you’re not going to experience the consequences of that vote.” Presumably she thinks the same of the disabled and terminally ill..?

48 minutes ago, Smokersmith said:

And unfortunately ... these are leading the future for us ....

"Leading".....there isn,t a Leader amongst them! They are a disgrace!

2 hours ago, JRDS said:

Last night 325/631 votes cast supported the Government or 51.5 %, haven't heard half of Parliament bleating for 2nd vote on that!!.

 

They are happy to accept a majority vote in Parliament, but not from us peasants!  Thet are going to get a come-uppance!

2 hours ago, Vince Green said:

And quite a significant number of those were foreign nationals that were not entitled to vote!

How in hell did they get a ballot paper?

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32 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

We don't need to compromise at all, no deal would be a fantastic result for the UK, it would of course be disastrous for the EU as we run a 100 billion euro trade deficit in their favour and pay for the privilege. 

The UK voted leave, which means we voted to leave all the rules that being an EU member entailed, Mays deal doesn't deliver on that, so it's either a free trade deal with the EU (I would love to see that) but if they won't see sense then a wto exit would be great. 

What do you think a free trade deal is? 

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In 1975, we had a Referendum re: our membership of the EEC (now EU).  67% of those who voted, wanted to stay in.........33% voted to Leave.  Using the same reasoning that many Remoaners have used, we should have left the EEC. The 33% who voted Leave, along with the 36% of the elctorate who did not vote, meant that we had a majority of 2% to Leave!  Strange , but that,s the thinking that Remoaners have applied to the 2016 result! They lost, but argue that those who did not vote, were happy with the status quo, and would now vote Remain. Total garbage, but that is Remoaner thinking for you!

How someone can come on here, and say that "half" the country voted Remain,  is total rubbish!

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The over-65s is the fastest growing demographic in the UK. From the Office of National Statistics:

"The UK population is ageing – around 18.2% of the UK population were aged 65 years or over at mid-2017, compared with 15.9% in 2007; this is projected to grow to 20.7% by 2027."

So there are now more of us than in 2016, both as a proportion of the voting age population, and in absolute numbers.

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