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    So the new pup was 12 weeks on Tuesday just gone  had him for around a month and coming on well.

    We have done very little, mostly just house manners, he comes back when called 99% of the time (although he hasn't found anything worth ignoring me over just yet) and will do tiny retrieves with a small tennis ball.

    We only recently have been able to get out on walks, we might do 1-2 retrieves of a tennis ball whilst out, he normally gets out and finds the ball very easily, and comes right back. Normally you can take the ball as he comes right up to you. 

    Now previously when in the house I would leave him with the ball and fuss him as he'd want to jump in my lap. Then after lots of fuss and cuddles I could quite easily have the ball and tell him what a good boy he is.

    Problem I have now is - when we are starting to do the play retrieves when out he comes right back, but doesn't jump into my lap no more. If I lean down I can take the ball of him as he comes up to me but am cautious if I take it too soon, he may stop coming back. 
    If I don't take the ball off him fairly quickly, he will tend to lie down near me once he is back, and he will put his head between his paws and seems to start trying to chew or play with the ball on his own. Obviously I can't get the ball off him like this, as he has his head tucked down low with his paws covering his head either side.

    Not exactly what you would want from a great retrieve.

    I would appreciate advice, as obviously he is very young still so don't want to do anything that may make this into a bad habit  thanks

    Lloyd

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    I swap the retrieved object for a treat for starters. I use cat biscuits because they are small, consumed in an instant and highly desirable by our dogs. If you offer something edible its usually more desirable than holding on to the ball. 

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    12 minutes ago, ips said:

    I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination but the pup is only 12 wks old 😮

    Yes mate it's only play time atm, just wanted to check if theres something I should do now so I don't kick myself later for not doing it.

    My initial thought was just do nothing and as he matures hope its alright :) 

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    I don't understand. You are asking for basic advice, yet in the thread "which dog", you make it sound like you're an experienced trainer.

    I personally would not let the puppy keep the ball to chew. This could well be a training aid in 3 - 4 months time.

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    First thing is he is a puppy so let him have his time and wait till he is a lot older before worrying too much about things. As he is bringing the ball back just take it off him and give him loads of praise. That is enough reward and will not put him off bringing things back. I have been at it nearly forty years and it has never caused a problem. I never give food as a reward for a retrieve as it can lead to dogs spitting the dummy out later in anticipation. Some say it works for them but not for me. 

    The important thing is to carry on doing the little things you are and relax serious, stuff does not start with my dogs until at lest eight months or more. I am currently training a lab and he has been so slow developing we are only starting advanced work at 17 months. Just go at the dogs pace and not your own or someone else’s pups.

    good luck and enjoy your pup.

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    I'd second the above.

    I have used treats for retrieving in the past but ony as a last resort with dogs that are not keen on retrieving  (hpr's and dogs i've been given that are older, just got a 3 yr old cocker who does not retrieve anything, so will be getting treats shortly see if it helps)

    But unless ur timings very good ur only asking for the dog to spit the dummy out wanting/expecting a treat.

     

    Most trainers would be in no hurry to take the dummy of it and generally give praise after they have the dummy but i also know a champ winning spaniel trainer that does the oppisate loads of praise as dog has dummy in mouth then no paise once he has got it. His thinking is he's rewarding it for holding the dummy, while most common training has u rewarding the dog for giving up the dummy. Can see the logic

     

    At that age i'd prob even get down and sit or even lie on the grass and let pup climb over me with dummy so it is quite happy coming close, loads of praise, high voice etc.

    If u really don't want him lying like that wak on every time he lies down, just a few steps, or get down and play with pup rub its belly will likely roll over onto back (althou sometimes they open mouth as they roll over, had this with a yong lab once so possibly not the best advice, althou wasn't a major problem to fix)

    U can tidy up delivery later on, althou i have to admit i never bother too much with delivery as don't do tests any more, so don't really care if dog sits or stands as long as delivers to hand

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    19 hours ago, motty said:

    I don't understand. You are asking for basic advice, yet in the thread "which dog", you make it sound like you're an experienced trainer.

    I personally would not let the puppy keep the ball to chew. This could well be a training aid in 3 - 4 months time.

    When have I said I was an experienced trainer? 

    Ive trained two dogs in the past. a lab and a springer, both were good shooting dogs but not anything you would compete with.

    I have experience of those as well as working with some lads who field trial so have picked up some knowledge from them. 

    However, with my new pup it’s all a learning curve doing it all again. Also I’m hoping to run this dog in tests and if able trials so have much higher expectations. 

    My labs retrieves were fantastic when I trained her, but my old springer would always move her head away from me when taking the retrieve and try to keep it, hence me asking for advice... 

    Are people not supposed to ask for advice when they can see they need to improve something? 🤔

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