Rewulf Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 I thought it might be just an accident, but sadly no. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/14/car-crashes-barrier-outside-parliament-armed-police-surround/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Police are still holding the driver! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 See it this morning with the BBC trying to pass it off as a possible accident, I don’t believe it was an accident in the slightest. Looks like his target was parliament and as many pedestrians/cyclists he could. At least the barrier did it's job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 And yet again he was known to the security services, according to the news report I just watched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 But if they had been proactive the snowflakes would be complaining the security services were racist and had breached his 'oman rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 All will come out in good time, early reports say it was an Uber Cab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Vince Green said: All will come out in good time, early reports say it was an Uber Cab Unlikely, Ive read it was a Fiesta. Most reports suggest terrorist motivated, many say the man has been charged with such. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/parliament-crash-live-updates-square-injuries-met-police-attack-westminster-london-latest-a8490631.html One report says an armed cop had to jump out the way of the car, maybe he was trying to acquire his gun ? Minor injuries for the people hurt, so a better result than it could have been, and makes the barriers seem worth it now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Ive read it was a Fiesta. It was a Fiesta 5 minutes ago, Rewulf said: One report says an armed cop had to jump out the way of the car, One copper did have to jump over the concrete barrier to get out of the way of the car, if he didn't he would have been pinned between the car and barrier. It might have been two Edited August 14, 2018 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romes Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 The police did not immediately restrain the driver nor drag him out of the car (from the video i saw) which seems to indicate that the driver was not a threat. There were a few hurt (mainly cyclists) none of which were badly hurt. Besides a Ford Fiesta is not going to do that much damage prior to being a wreck. Poor execution, planning and result = not terrorist related in my opinion, then again I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: It was a Fiesta One copper did have to jump over the concrete barrier to get out of the way of the car, if he didn't he would have been pinned between the car and barrier. Just watch the video, yes , definitely looks like the cop was the target. Just now, Romes said: The police did not immediately restrain the driver nor drag him out of the car (from the video i saw) which seems to indicate that the driver was not a threat. There were a few hurt (mainly cyclists) none of which were badly hurt. Besides a Ford Fiesta is not going to do that much damage prior to being a wreck. Poor execution, planning and result = not terrorist related in my opinion, then again I could be wrong. Watch the video in my link above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: And yet again he was known to the security services, according to the news report I just watched. They are now saying he wasn't known to MI5 or the counter terrorism squad. Edited August 14, 2018 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romes Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Looked at the video and there was no where to go and the policeman was there before the barrier. The video shows no sign of the car slowing down either. Im not convinced this was terrorism related at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Seems that the Metropolitan Police are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 If it's not terror related, Parliament must be one hell of an accident black spot for cars careering out of control for no reason. As for poor planning, no-one has accused terrorists of being bright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Romes said: Looked at the video and there was no where to go and the policeman was there before the barrier. The video shows no sign of the car slowing down either.Im not convinced this was terrorism related at all. I saw a deliberate attempt to get as close as possible to parliament, reckless driving ect, but thats moot. The police have charged him with 'terrorism offences' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romes Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Ok guys, i did say that I could be wrong, and that it was only my opinion. It was just a pathetic attempt aim my opinion thats all, wrong choice of car, wrong time etc etc. I work in London and to be honest there are so many disgruntled people in this City that its only a question of time before some people snap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 22 minutes ago, Romes said: The police did not immediately restrain the driver nor drag him out of the car (from the video i saw) which seems to indicate that the driver was not a threat. Or it indicates that the Police were assessing the threat before rushing in and possibly putting themselves in danger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romes Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Just now, Newbie to this said: Or it indicates that the Police were assessing the threat before rushing in and possibly putting themselves in danger. They had already rushed in, surrounded the car and were taking to the guy with the door open and guns down.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Newbie to this said: Or it indicates that the Police were assessing the threat before rushing in and possibly putting themselves in danger. A wise precaution, could have been rigged with fuel, explosives, or he could have been armed. At the end of the day, you only get a second or two to assess the situation. 1 minute ago, Romes said: They had already rushed in, surrounded the car and were taking to the guy with the door open and guns down.... Might have had him cuffed by then, those guns will only be lowered when they believe the threat is neutralised, hes lucky hes not sporting some new orifices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Romes said: I work in London and to be honest there are so many disgruntled people in this City that its only a question of time before some people snap So that explains trying to kill people, he was disgruntled. I'm from London and hate the way my city has gone, but I would never drive my car at people trying to kill them, no matter how disgruntled I get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, walshie said: If it's not terror related, Parliament must be one hell of an accident black spot for cars careering out of control for no reason. As for poor planning, no-one has accused terrorists of being bright. Actually, its more than a bit confusing to drive round there now with all the barriers, but Parliament is in recess at the moment, all the MPs are on holiday. 7 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: I'm from London and hate the way my city has gone, but I would never drive my car at people trying to kill them, no matter how disgruntled I get There is not much evidence he was trying to kill anybody, if he was he was spectacularly unsuccessful, its hard not to hit cyclists in london Edited August 14, 2018 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romes Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Newbie to this said: So that explains trying to kill people, he was disgruntled. I'm from London and hate the way my city has gone, but I would never drive my car at people trying to kill them, no matter how disgruntled I get Thats twisting my words and you know it. I too dont like the way London is going and in some cases has gone and no it doesn't give you the right to kill anyone - but the guy driving the Fiesta didn't kill anyone either. Perhaps instead of being influenced by the media we should see what comes in the form of the final verdict from Scotland Yard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Vince Green said: There is not much evidence he was trying to kill anybody, if he was he was spectacularly unsuccessful, its hard not to hit cyclists in london 1 minute ago, Romes said: Thats twisting my words and you know it. I too dont like the way London is going and in some cases has gone and no it doesn't give you the right to kill anyone - but the guy driving the Fiesta didn't kill anyone either. If you watch the video carefully, after he swerves past the ambulance, he mounts the reservation and crosses over it, there are cyclists all over the road, he hit about 5 , putting 3 in hospital. Now you can say he didnt mean to kill anybody, but when you run someone over in a car, even at low speeds, can you guarantee you wont ? A ton of car and someones head or neck, you know whos going to lose dont you? Or did he 'carefully' run them over ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 If there was a 1% chance this wasn't terror-related, there's no way he would have been charged with terrorism offences. I don't know why everyone tries to play down incidents like this as to "losing control of the car", "mental health issues" etc etc. Not all these wannabe jihadists can get hold of guns and explosives, so copycatting the previous car attacks is the best they can hope for. We live in a dangerous world and trying to sugar coat everything to make it sound less so and trying frantically to find any other reason than terrorism is futile IMO. If Khan can't mangle the facts to make out it was something else, then that says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romes Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rewulf said: If you watch the video carefully, after he swerves past the ambulance, he mounts the reservation and crosses over it, there are cyclists all over the road, he hit about 5 , putting 3 in hospital. Now you can say he didnt mean to kill anybody, but when you run someone over in a car, even at low speeds, can you guarantee you wont ? A ton of car and someones head or neck, you know whos going to lose dont you? Or did he 'carefully' run them over ? Must have been as you say "carefully" after all no one that he hit died at the scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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