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Non Toxic Game 2.75"

1458fps Rottweil Steel Game HV 32g

1449fps RC3 Steel 28g

1440fps Fiocchi Steel 32g

1434fps Rottweil Steel Game Speed 28g

1438fps Winchester Special Canard 32g

1428fps Rottweil Copper Unlimited 34g

1424fps RC Atomic Steel 34g

1423fps Winchester Blindside 35g

1413fps RC Atomic Steel 32g

1399fps Mirage Steel 32g

1396fps Gamebore Super Steel 32g

1385fps Rottweil Steel Game 32g

1382fps Rio Blue Steel 32g

1379fps Fiocchi Steel 35g

1372fps Bornaghi Steel 36g

1369fps RC Technosteel 34g

1328fps Eley VIP Steel 32g

1294fps Lyalvale Supreme Steel 32g 

1290fps Cheddite Steel 32g

1282fps Cheddite Steel 34g

1262fps Hull Steel Game Extra 32g

1245fps Eley VIP Bismuth 32g

1152fps Gamebore Tung Mtrx 32g

 

Steel Game 3"

1569fps Eley Lightening Steel 32g

1524fps RC Hyperfast 34g

1508fps B&P Valle Steel 33g

1463fps Winchester Blindside 1 3/8oz

1457fps B&P Dual Shock 36g

1457fps Rottweil Steel Game 36g

1450fps Cheddite HP Steel 36g

1406fps RC Atomic 36g

1373fps Eley Lightening Steel 36g

1376fps Lyalvale HP Steel 36g

1336fps Gamebore Mam Steel 36g

1312fps Hull Solway Steel 36g

1269fps Mirage Steel 36g

1226fps Hull Solway Mag Steel 34g

1197fps Rem Sportsman Steel 36g

 

Non Toxic Super Magnum 3.5"

1428fps Gamebore Mam Steel 42g

1409fps Winchester Blindside 46g

1377fps Winchester Drylock 44g 

1353fps Mirage Steel 39g

1212fps Gamebore Tung Mtrx 60g

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1 hour ago, greenergp said:

I would like to see a reload in the test, say pick a well known and published load and try that.

I know there will be a difference due to loader error/skill/experience but it would give us a ball park figure.

The reloads I tested were almost bang on the quoted speeds.

To me, speed is not too important.

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1 hour ago, motty said:

The reloads I tested were almost bang on the quoted speeds.

To me, speed is not too important.

For Steel when you get near 1450fps your onto a lethal load, it just testing the loads you have around that speed to find the one they patterned the best then your really onto something! 

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40 minutes ago, Continental Shooter said:

20 bore ?

My problem is I don’t have a 20b ? but I think the kids will need a gun so I’ll start them on a 410 and as they get bigger work towards a 20b, is there any 20b cartridges you would like to see chronoed? 

10 hours ago, grahamch said:

Where did you find kent silver steel over here

 

Just cartridges 

 

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13 hours ago, johnnytheboy said:

For Steel when you get near 1450fps your onto a lethal load, it just testing the loads you have around that speed to find the one they patterned the best then your really onto something! 

Where did you come up with that random 'fact'? Steel is lethal at far less velocity!

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Interesting and good to see them posted in order. 

 

I have ave to say a lot of the values are ‘similar’ yet some brands on there I really didn’t get on with. I’ve heard good things about Eley, love Gamebore but hated Express. Yet the values aren’t too far apart. This was echoed between 3 folk in 3 different guns so can’t be just down to individual gun pattern :hmm:

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47 minutes ago, motty said:

Where did you come up with that random 'fact'? Steel is lethal at far less velocity!

In some circumstances with some loads and some pellet size perhaps . Speed if you can maintain a suitable pattern is not a bad thing, holding pattern is the limiting factor it tends to be  easier to hold a pattern at lower velocity why the lower velocities work.   Make a choice either way based on how they work in your set up velocity is just one part of the mix .

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7 minutes ago, Fen tiger said:

In some circumstances with some loads and some pellet size perhaps . Speed if you can maintain a suitable pattern is not a bad thing, holding pattern is the limiting factor it tends to be  easier to hold a pattern at lower velocity why the lower velocities work.   Make a choice either way based on how they work in your set up velocity is just one part of the mix .

Last season I used a load of Remington 1 3/4oz BB loads in the 10. They were quoted as 1260fps. They were knocking pinks stone dead as high as I dared shoot them.

To me, and a few other I shoot with, fast loads are not really necessary. The faster you fire it, the faster it slows down. At 50 yards, the difference is negligible.

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5 minutes ago, motty said:

Last season I used a load of Remington 1 3/4oz BB loads in the 10. They were quoted as 1260fps. They were knocking pinks stone dead as high as I dared shoot them.

To me, and a few other I shoot with, fast loads are not really necessary. The faster you fire it, the faster it slows down. At 50 yards, the difference is negligible.

Have you used much steel 1’s? Notice much difference between 1’s and BB’s? I’ve used the 1’s to good effect and haven’t gone larger for pellet count but a lot of people rate BBs!

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11 minutes ago, Fen tiger said:

In some circumstances with some loads and some pellet size perhaps . Speed if you can maintain a suitable pattern is not a bad thing, holding pattern is the limiting factor it tends to be  easier to hold a pattern at lower velocity why the lower velocities work.   Make a choice either way based on how they work in your set up velocity is just one part of the mix .

Totally agree. When we first had to use Non Toxic i used Express 3" 1-1/4oz 3's and 1's through 1/4 an 1/2 chokes which i recoil was only 1150fps I'd like a £ for every Goose ( numerous species ) i cleanly killed with them . Yet when i first joined a certain Wildfowling Forum i got slated beyond belief called a Liar unsportsmanlike etc until a long time member who shot with me jumped to my defense. My belief is hit em under the chin Pattern and Penertration Kill not one or the other

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4 minutes ago, wildfowler.250 said:

Have you used much steel 1’s? Notice much difference between 1’s and BB’s? I’ve used the 1’s to good effect and haven’t gone larger for pellet count but a lot of people rate BBs!

To be honest, I haven't used 1s that much, but know a few that do very well with them. I plan to get some and load up some 46gm loads for the 10 for this season, for ducks and geese.

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2 hours ago, motty said:

Where did you come up with that random 'fact'? Steel is lethal at far less velocity!

That’s what works for me, wether it’s been a duck pond load or a magnum load you get near that magic number and get a good patterns and it’s lethal. Spent ages tinkering with homeloads to get them as near on perfect as I could and the 1450fps number just seems to work for me. 

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23 minutes ago, johnnytheboy said:

That’s what works for me, wether it’s been a duck pond load or a magnum load you get near that magic number and get a good patterns and it’s lethal. Spent ages tinkering with homeloads to get them as near on perfect as I could and the 1450fps number just seems to work for me. 

The reality is though, the difference between a load travelling at 1350fps and one at 1450fps is so minimal, that it is unlikely that anyone could tell the difference.

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Depends how much shooting your doing, I suppose to most folk they wouldn’t know but if your specialising in shooting non lead cartridges in specific conditions like foreshore Wildfowling you get pretty tuned into what your doing! 

 

 

2 hours ago, motty said:

To be honest, I haven't used 1s that much, but know a few that do very well with them. I plan to get some and load up some 46gm loads for the 10 for this season, for ducks and geese.

I have an old Danish friend who keeps banging on about avoiding 1s and using 2s or 3s instead, he reckons he can get a better core density in the spread with that size shot than 1s! 

Id be interested in any feedback anyone has on that s he is adamant about it, and the the Dane know non lead as that’s all they can shoot

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14 minutes ago, johnnytheboy said:

Depends how much shooting your doing, I suppose to most folk they wouldn’t know but if your specialising in shooting non lead cartridges in specific conditions like foreshore Wildfowling you get pretty tuned into what your doing! 

 

 

I have an old Danish friend who keeps banging on about avoiding 1s and using 2s or 3s instead, he reckons he can get a better core density in the spread with that size shot than 1s! 

Id be interested in any feedback anyone has on that s he is adamant about it, and the the Dane know non lead as that’s all they can shoot

I would dispute that. There is no way anyone could tell the difference between a 1350fps shell and a 1450fps shell.  I do a lot of shooting all year round and I couldn't tell the difference. As I said, the difference is minute.

 

The Danish friend's opinion is just that - an opinion. Just because he only uses steel, doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about. Again, I would doubt he would be able to tell the difference between 1s and 2s in the field.

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I  agree with the Dane absolutely its not just his your other my observations it has been debated on many American sites in the past.

    What you tend to find in 1s ,American 2s is though they can kill at one range where they have adequate pattern the Centre is sparse and any more range is down on density of pattern.

  Choking it down the typical thing to do never seems to give percentages you would see with other shot sizes.  This is in 12bore.  

  I have a crash helmet so  this controversial as itmay seem is how I see it too justas the. Dane did.

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