Frank Field

[Yellow Bear]

This says it all

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45359009

 

If a Tory did this the liebour leadership would be screaming for resignations  - so why are they not resigning   -  nuff said

[Blackbriar]

And yet, Mr Field was one of the 35 Labour MPs who proposed Comrade Corbyn for leader of the party.............oh, the irony !

[Mighty Ruler]

There used to be two Labour MPs I’d vote for, now there’s only Kate Hoey and she’ll probably get deselected at the next election.

[Retsdon]

From Frank Field's resignation letter listing his reasons for resigning,.

"The first centres on the latest example of Labour’s leadership becoming a force for antisemitism in British politics. The latest example, from last week, comes after a series of attempts by Jeremy to deny that past statements and actions by him were antisemitic."

Say again? This is like something straight out a Monty Python sketch. "you're anti-Semitic!'" "No, I'm not.,' "Ha! Gotcha! Only an anti-Semite would deny that they're anti-Semitic.'

This is also the kind of Kafkaesque cycle of accusation - denial = guilt  that was so beloved of the likes of Pol Pot or Stalin and then, as now, the trumped up accusations were made in order to get rid of people questioning the status quo. On'e's opinion of Corbyn or his political views should be irrelevant here. The man was elected not once but twice to lead the Labour party, and I'm sorry, but it's downright sinister that there is an obvious campaign being waged  - with the connivance of the media -  to unseat the leader of the opposition, not by confronting and defeating his political stance but by a stream of drip, drip, drip, allegations and innuendos that can never be disproved because no evidence is ever presented. This is not  how things should work in a healthy democracy.

Edited August 31, 2018 by Retsdon

[krugerandsmith]

8 hours ago, Yellow Bear said:

This says it all

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45359009

 

If a Tory did this the liebour leadership would be screaming for resignations  - so why are they not resigning   -  nuff said

I am not one of his constituents and do not vote for his party but, have contacted him many times with queries regarding pensions and other issues.  This man never failed to reply quickly and give the help needed.  He is a man of honour and is trustworthy unlike many of his MP colleagues.  

[JohnfromUK]

1 hour ago, krugerandsmith said:

He is a man of honour and is trustworthy unlike many of his MP colleagues.

I have often seen (going back long before the present situation) that Frank Field is a person respected by most people involved in politics, not by any means only in his own party.  He seems to command respect from all with whom he comes into contact.  I hope this works out well for him, but I have a nasty feeling that he will be 'levered out' by the momentum wing of his party.

[panoma1]

And he's a long term brexiteer!

[norfolk dumpling]

In my 66 years on this planet I don't ever recall politics being such a mess. There's not one politician I want to vote for. The newer ones are a self-serving bunch of ****s and the older ones are living in the past. The only one I trust at the moment is our PM but she can only do so much with the bunch she has to work with. A lot of our problems stem from the media who just love to create chaos and exagerate every little bit of detail they are fed. I have no particular political leanings and have only been a member of one party - labour for one month only(!!) - but I can see Labour getting elected in the near future and God help us with this latest bunch. I'm wondering whether to sell my guns now before they become worthless - Corbyn has committed to removing all guns not used for professional purposes. This copies SNP intentions. Can you guys imagine the state of our countryside after a few years of this policy?

[Newbie to this]

2 minutes ago, norfolk dumpling said:

Corbyn has committed to removing all guns not used for professional purposes. This copies SNP intentions.

Perhaps they can start with the illegal ones first, that'll keep them busy.

[matone]

Much easier to deal with the legally held ones......

Edited August 31, 2018 by matone

[Westward]

My guess is that Frank Field has woken up to the reality that, instead of being the Messiah who would lead Labour into a new golden age, Corbyn is an inept blunderer who hasn't a clue about leadership and appears to be steadily losing touch with any sort of reality and steadily losing credibility with traditional Labour supporters.

It's not surprising really when you think that Corbyn spent 30 years or so doing nothing except hurling criticisms and abuse from the back benches like a kind of time warp student activist and consequently he has no experience whatsoever of how to run anything or make decisions. Corbyn is what they used to call a barrack room lawyer, simply put; when he's not shouting spite he's spouting sh--e.

I get the impression that a lot of Labour MPs are deeply disappointed in the chosen one because he can't make a positive decision about anything. He's lost his way, he has no plan, he has no position on Brexit, he has no concept of fiscal management and can't decide what steps he needs to take because he has no idea where he's trying to get to.

 

Edited August 31, 2018 by Westward

[TIGHTCHOKE]

3 minutes ago, Westward said:

My guess is that Frank Field has woken up to the reality that, instead of being the Messiah who would lead Labour into a new golden age, Corbyn is an inept blunderer who hasn't a clue about leadership and appears to be steadily losing touch with any sort of reality and steadily losing credibility with traditional Labour supporters.

It's not surprising really when you think that Corbyn spent 30 years or so doing nothing except hurling criticisms and abuse from the back benches like a kind of time warp student activist and consequently he has no experience whatsoever of how to run anything or make decisions. Corbyn is what they used to call a barrack room lawyer, simply put; when he's not shouting spite he's spouting sh--e.

I get the impression that a lot of Labour MPs are deeply disappointed in the chosen one because he can't make a positive decision about anything. He's lost his way, he has no plan, he has no position on Brexit, he has no concept of fiscal management and can't decide what steps he needs to take because he has no idea where he's trying to get to.

 

Whilst i agree with you, I think the latent antisemitism and the denial of his previous poor judgement is really starting to make people aware of just how incompetent Corbyn is.

I admire Frank Field, he appears to be a solid Labour (old school) constituency MP. If he does walk and cause a bi-election, I reckon he would get back in as an independent with proper old labour values.

[Gordon R]

Westward - I think you are correct.

Corbyn isn't face to lace Frank Field's shoes. I trust very few politicians - Frank Field is the one that springs to mind first. After that - I would have to think long and hard. A man of decency and honour.

I hope he is elected as an Independent at the next election / by-election - which could be sooner than Corbyn fears.

[Newbie to this]

Corbyn has a personal stance on the EU/Brexit, historically he is against the EU. The problem he has is the majority of his supporters aren't, so if he said his true opinion on the subject he would lose lots of support.

Edited August 31, 2018 by Newbie to this

[Westward]

Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Whilst i agree with you, I think the latent antisemitism and the denial of his previous poor judgement is really starting to make people aware of just how incompetent Corbyn is.

I admire Frank Field, he appears to be a solid Labour (old school) constituency MP. If he does walk and cause a bi-election, I reckon he would get back in as an independent with proper old labour values.

My problem is that I have absolutely no experience with anti-Semitism. There were a couple of Jewish kids at my school, I've lived close by Jewish districts of west London, I've worked with Jewish engineers and programmers and I've never seen any kind of discrimination against Jews by anyone.

Given that socialism is the creed of envy, is it that the Labour party - or some of it's members - have anti-Semitic feelings because Jewish people tend to work hard and do well for themselves?

[JohnfromUK]

4 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

I hope he is elected as an Independent at the next election / by-election - which could be sooner than Corbyn fears.

I too would wish him electoral success - because he seems to truly represent his constituents; however, should he stand at a by election - he will face very, very fierce opposition from the official Labour Party, and you can bet it will be full 'gloves off' stuff from Corbyn's momentum thugs.  It will be, I'm afraid truly horrible for Frank Field, because the people (momentum etc. activists) who will be opposing him will stop at no hateful or vile method to do him down.  Corbyn will look on and do nothing to stop them.

[JohnfromUK]

4 minutes ago, Westward said:

Given that socialism is the creed of envy, is it that the Labour party - or some of it's members - have anti-Semitic feelings because Jewish people tend to work hard and do well for themselves?

I think this hits the nail on the head.  The left have always been against the big financial/banking dynasties, many of whom are of Jewish origin (but often not closely connected to either Judaism or Israel) such as the Rothschilds, Lehmans, Lazards, Warbergs, Flemings.  The 'left' sees them as exerting 'control' through their financial influence to the detriment of the many.  Hence Corbyn's chosen slogan;

"For the Many, not the Jew Few"

[JohnfromUK]

2 hours ago, Newbie to this said:

Perhaps they can start with the illegal ones first, that'll keep them busy.

The illegal are (obviously) a problem to 'round up'.  Can you see Diane Abbott succeeding where others for many years have failed?  They will (as all politicians do) go for the easy wins - those who hold things legally are are known to be good law abiding citizens.

[norfolk dumpling]

2 hours ago, Newbie to this said:

Perhaps they can start with the illegal ones first, that'll keep them busy.

 

2 hours ago, matone said:

Much easier to deal with the legally held ones......

Following the 1997 handgun ban where all legally owned guns were handed in gun crime rose by 65% over the next two years. Why??

[JohnfromUK]

12 minutes ago, norfolk dumpling said:

Following the 1997 handgun ban where all legally owned guns were handed in gun crime rose by 65% over the next two years. Why??

I can't tell you why it rose.  we all know why it didn't fall ........ because legal hand guns (or any legally held guns) are not generally used in any crime.

But the Labour wish to ban private ownership of guns ....... as they are opposed to what are seen as the 'toys of the rich'.  The linkage to any change in the crime 'risk' is just a political convenience.  Anything they see as 'luxury' items will be targets, - larger houses, gardens have already been mentioned as a candidate for being made to pay more.  But I am going off the topic of Frank Field, which is a good one!

[pinfireman]

10 hours ago, Retsdon said:

From Frank Field's resignation letter listing his reasons for resigning,.

"The first centres on the latest example of Labour’s leadership becoming a force for antisemitism in British politics. The latest example, from last week, comes after a series of attempts by Jeremy to deny that past statements and actions by him were antisemitic."

Say again? This is like something straight out a Monty Python sketch. "you're anti-Semitic!'" "No, I'm not.,' "Ha! Gotcha! Only an anti-Semite would deny that they're anti-Semitic.'

This is also the kind of Kafkaesque cycle of accusation - denial = guilt  that was so beloved of the likes of Pol Pot or Stalin and then, as now, the trumped up accusations were made in order to get rid of people questioning the status quo. On'e's opinion of Corbyn or his political views should be irrelevant here. The man was elected not once but twice to lead the Labour party, and I'm sorry, but it's downright sinister that there is an obvious campaign being waged  - with the connivance of the media -  to unseat the leader of the opposition, not by confronting and defeating his political stance but by a stream of drip, drip, drip, allegations and innuendos that can never be disproved because no evidence is ever presented. This is not  how things should work in a healthy democracy.

Allegations and innuendos?  He DID take 2 Sinn Fein / IRA around Westminster, just prior to the Brighton bombings (got away with it citing Parliamentary Privilege!). He HAS supported virtually every terrorist organisation in the world over the last 40 years! He did attend IRA memorial services, (But NEVER one for a British soldier or  policeman) His comments over the years HAVE been anti-semitic, and he has never clamped down on his supporters who have constantly made anti-semitic comments, until bad press has forced him to do so.   The fact that we live in a democracy is probably the only reason he is still free to do so.................

4 hours ago, Newbie to this said:

Perhaps they can start with the illegal ones first, that'll keep them busy.

They never focus on the illegal ones.....too much like hard work!

[pinfireman]

If Frank stands as an Independent, he will lose....Liverpool is the hotbed of the Momentum thugs and activists. They will come from all over Merseyside / Manchester, to campaign against him.  The Labour majority is huge, over 25,500, so the number that Frank will get will not stop a Momentum idiot from becoming the next MP.

Edited August 31, 2018 by pinfireman
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[Retsdon]

3 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

  Hence Corbyn's chosen slogan;

"For the Many, not the Jew Few"

Thank you for illustrating my point.

2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

But the Labour wish to ban private ownership of guns

Can you provide a link for this? Or are we in  'chosen slogan' country again?

[JohnfromUK]

15 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

Can you provide a link for this? Or are we in  'chosen slogan' country again?

On your first comment, I did not make up their slogan; nor do I believe it is a coincidence the words rhyme.  The hard left overall have long been anti semitic - and use the 'banking dynasties' as someone to blame for all of the economic woes that occur.

On your second comment, I was in error on this one - it was the Greens (see quote below) not Labour.  I did think it was one of Diane Abbots statements, but it was a Green statement.

"Gun Control:

In order to curb the misuse of firearms, the Green Party is committed to introducing the following measures:-

1. There will be a complete ban on the private ownership of all automatic and semi- automatic fire-arms.

2. There will be a complete ban on the holding of firearms (including air rifles/pistols) on domestic premises, except in cases where the firearms have been permanently disabled. Firearms for sporting use will be required to be confined to licensed gun club premises or licensed retailers. Firearms for agricultural use will be required to be stored at local police stations or other officially-sanctioned secure sites. There will be a requirement for fire-arms and ammunition to be stored separately under secure conditions and for all such sites to be subject to regular checks. No other private use of fire-arms will be permitted. "

Whatever your political views, Corbyn has some very unpleasant friends and done some very unpleasant things.  He attends IRA events, Palestinian hard liners events, and has generally done many things that are (in my view) quite unsuited to someone who might lead the UK.  I think all of the evidence is that he is a terrorist sympathiser, very probably antisemitic, but certainly associates freely with anti semitic groups.

If someone could show me that all of this has been made up by the press to smear him, I will apologise and would condemn that.  BUT no one has and there is photographic proof that he was at many of these events, and audio proof of what he has said/what has been said in his presence without any condemnation.  I happen to believe he is a very unpleasant piece of work who should have NO place in any UK government, let alone as it's leader.

 

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[Vince Green]

3 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

 - those who hold things legally are are known to be good law abiding citizens.

And much less likely to be labour voters, look at the fox hunting ban. Did that have anything, even remotely, to do with foxes? Of course it didn't, it was a straight out attack on the toffs. Nobody ever cared a stuff about the foxes

47 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

 

Can you provide a link for this? Or are we in  'chosen slogan' country again?

I can, read the Communist Manifesto