Conspiracy Theory Question...

[ditchman]

4 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

Araldite - for when you need things to get a bit sticky.

i get mixed up with aruldite and erudite....................heamaroids and asteroids......analcysts and analasysts.......tomatetoes and tomatoes

 

lets call the whole thing off..........

[Vince Green]

11 minutes ago, ditchman said:

i get mixed up with aruldite and erudite....................heamaroids and asteroids......analcysts and analasysts.......tomatetoes and tomatoes

 

lets call the whole thing off..........

don't get haemeriod cream and Araldite mixed up, one you stick up your bum and the other sticks up your bum 

[pinfireman]

19 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

Only just seen this, very good 😂👍

But inaccurate!

[pinfireman]

4 hours ago, henry d said:

Even back in 2011 white british was the largest ethnic group in London and if you add on white other you add another 14.9%, so in London white british is the majority and white by far the largest.

I wonder what the figures are now? Recently, a report stated that London was now occupied by more people born outside of the city, than born in it.............

[Gordon R]

pinfireman - I recall seeing that.

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, pinfireman said:

I wonder what the figures are now? Recently, a report stated that London was now occupied by more people born outside of the city, than born in it.............

You mean born outside of the country ?

Quite possible, here's one for you ,pick a group , for example Pakistani, that means of Pakistani heritage either born there or born here, how many of that group do you think there are in London..and in the whole of the UK? Don't Google it just yet, estimate it first then check.

The answer (to me anyway) sounds rather unbelievable.

[henry d]

5 hours ago, Rewulf said:

 

 

Have you been to London lately ?

Nope, don`t need to, as you say we need facts not observations, unless of course you have met and documented everyone in London?

4 hours ago, Westward said:

Really? You sure you're not referring to Edinburgh? No, the govt are pretty good at doing a census, check out the stats at the gov.uk website or ONS

From 2001 to 2016 the UK population grew by around 4.5 million. Of this ...... <snipped> And the above stats cover ten of those 15 years 2/3 if you like.

From my own observations I would suggest the likelihood that the majority are in and around London with a progressive reduction in numbers the further north you travel. So are you and rewulf canvassing the whole of London?

My brother in law recently spent a week or so in Kingston Hospital (Surrey not Jamaica). Once inside the building it's hard to imagine that you're even in England, never mind a smart area of Surrey. What! Were they talking in other languages, did you need a translator?

 

[Westward]

8 minutes ago, henry d said:

What! Were they talking in other languages, did you need a translator?

Surprisingly there are many countries other than England where English, or a version of it, is a first language. I remember many years ago in a factory in Cumbernauld travelling 5 floors in a lift with 2 cleaners who talked to each other constantly the whole way and I didn't make out a single word of English.😛

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[henry d]

22 minutes ago, Westward said:

Surprisingly there are many countries other than England where English, or a version of it, is a first language. Yeah, been to a lot of them, not sure what your point is?

I remember many years ago in a factory in Cumbernauld travelling 5 floors in a lift with 2 cleaners who talked to each other constantly the whole way and I didn't make out a single word of English.😛 I heard lots of different languages at work this week, Bulgarian and Polish mainly but they also spoke English too if you spoke to them in English, the under 3`s not so much, however they were as good as the "White Scottish" bairns.

 

[Vince Green]

1 hour ago, pinfireman said:

I wonder what the figures are now? Recently, a report stated that London was now occupied by more people born outside of the city, than born in it.............

As a Londoner that's very much the impression you get, and white flight is still going on a pace mainly because house prices mean the youngsters can't buy property in the capital. The older generation retire away to the Shires.

Now that benefits are capped housing benefit won't cover the rent in London so lots of people on benefits are struggling too. There is a lot of changes going on.

[Rewulf]

14 hours ago, henry d said:

Nope, don`t need to, as you say we need facts not observations, unless of course you have met and documented everyone in London?

 

Where do your 'facts' come from Henry ? 
From the 7 year old census, that hundreds of thousands of people living in the UK illegally didnt fill out ?
The migrant workers, the failed asylum seekers ?
You take the census as gospel, did everyone who lives in London fill it out ?

I asked if you had been to London lately, I didnt say I have met and documented everyone in London, but I do travel to London regularly.
You, by your own admission dont.

They say, if it looks like a chicken, clucks like a chicken, and lays chicken eggs, theres a very good chance its a chicken.
Like wise, if theres chickens everywhere, chicken feed and chicken ----, and there are no other animals around, theres a very good chance its a chicken farm.
You , in your wisdom, dont bother to even look, and declare it a sheep farm.

[Westward]

There is of a big difference between racism and a general sense of loss through witnessing the erosion of a culture one has known since birth, due to an influx of large numbers of people with a completely different cultural and/or religious heritage. It's not about exact percentages or detailed stats and it's not about colour either. It's about funding and dealing with the pressures from a rapid increase in the population and the resulting vast increase in demand for all kinds of services and facilities often from people who are a net drain on the economy.

Here in Britain we've accepted immigrants for hundreds of years, heck we're probably all descended from immigrants, but never in history have we had to accept the enormous numbers we've been coping with over the last 15 -20 years. I would take an educated guess that more people have migrated to this country in the last 10 years than over the whole of the previous 1,000 years.

It's not about being anti foreigner, it's about both the numbers and that fact that so many immigrants have no wish to integrate.  Instead they bring their own societal values and demand that we accept them and their culture and then expect all our societal values and culture be made available to them. In other words they are here purely for what they can get out of this country.

The liberal elite and the champagne socialists like Blair or Corbyn or the BBC can bang on all they like about how wonderful it is that Britain today is a multicultural society, but what they ignore is that it's been forced on us, whether we wanted it or not, by successive governments and of course that great bastion of democracy (Not!) the EU.

[Rewulf]

4 minutes ago, Westward said:

 

It's not about being anti foreigner, it's about both the numbers and that fact that so many immigrants have no wish to integrate.  Instead they bring their own societal values and demand that we accept them and their culture and then expect all our societal values and culture be made available to them. In other words they are here purely for what they can get out of this country.

 

Well said.

 

 

[henry d]

3 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Where do your 'facts' come from Henry ? 
From the 7 year old census, that hundreds of thousands of people living in the UK illegally didnt fill out ? Your facts to support this please, and you said uk not London so can we discount that anomolly?
The migrant workers, the failed asylum seekers ? Facts please?
You take the census as gospel, did everyone who lives in London fill it out ? It is the only factual evidence we have unless you know different? 36.8% say they are black/asian or mixed race 44.9% white british of the approx 8.75 million Londoners thats; 3.22 M B/A/M race to  3.93 M WB there would need to be almost 3/4M extra black asian or mixed race people to make it look like 50/50 (and remember I didn`t count the 1.3 M white other) so for it to look and cluck like a chicken there needs to be well over a million who got in illegally or did not fill out the census at best and if we included white other well over 2 million.

I asked if you had been to London lately, I didnt say I have met and documented everyone in London, but I do travel to London regularly.
You, by your own admission dont. I`ll be there on the 10/11th of November hopefully, I`ll check it out!

They say, if it looks like a chicken, clucks like a chicken, and lays chicken eggs, theres a very good chance its a chicken. They say a lot don`t they...
Like wise, if theres chickens everywhere, chicken feed and chicken ----, and there are no other animals around, theres a very good chance its a chicken farm.
You , in your wisdom, dont bother to even look, and declare it a sheep farm. Nope, I did the maths mate!

 

[Rewulf]

4 minutes ago, henry d said:

  3 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Where do your 'facts' come from Henry ? 
From the 7 year old census, that hundreds of thousands of people living in the UK illegally didnt fill out ? Your facts to support this please, and you said uk not London so can we discount that anomolly? What anomally , is London not in the UK ?
The migrant workers, the failed asylum seekers ? Facts please? https://fullfact.org/immigration/why-we-cant-say-sure-how-many-illegal-immigrants-are-living-uk/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwrZLdBRCmARIsAFBZllHe4WrgUiU8ctjc-b2HXqswukX8-ggR0gE5pQXyb3HsNAitZkTSfVEaAnb0EALw_wcB So at least in the 100s of 1000s then ?
Or
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1020032/uk-migration-watch-illegal-migrants-britain-migrant
Or
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/key-topics/illegal-immigration

You take the census as gospel, did everyone who lives in London fill it out ? It is the only factual evidence we have unless you know different? 36.8% say they are black/asian or mixed race 44.9% white british of the approx 8.75 million Londoners thats; 3.22 M B/A/M race to  3.93 M WB there would need to be almost 3/4M extra black asian or mixed race people to make it look like 50/50 (and remember I didn`t count the 1.3 M white other) so for it to look and cluck like a chicken there needs to be well over a million who got in illegally or did not fill out the census at best and if we included white other well over 2 million.

You cannot fill out a census form if you are a legal OR an illegal migrant can you ?
And bear in mind net migration has been a minimum of 200,000 per year FOR LEGAL migrants in the 7 years since the census was done! A massive proportion of those reside in and around London.
In summary , you are basing the population of London on the census, which is totally inaccurate when calculating the demographic of London.

I asked if you had been to London lately, I didnt say I have met and documented everyone in London, but I do travel to London regularly.
You, by your own admission dont. I`ll be there on the 10/11th of November hopefully, I`ll check it out!
Enjoy !

They say, if it looks like a chicken, clucks like a chicken, and lays chicken eggs, theres a very good chance its a chicken. They say a lot don`t they...They say that doesnt detract from the argument either.
Like wise, if theres chickens everywhere, chicken feed and chicken ----, and there are no other animals around, theres a very good chance its a chicken farm.
You , in your wisdom, dont bother to even look, and declare it a sheep farm. Nope, I did the maths mate!

You didnt do the maths mate, because you dont have the data to do them with.
You made an assumption , based on what answer you would like to come up with, which is based on your political and social leanings.
You dont live in London, and ignore the fact that many Londoners have had enough of the place they were born, not recognising what it has become.
Im sure they are xenophobes, racists and gammons to a man in your opinion, but the figures are impossible to ignore.

Enjoy London, but dont just catch the tourist sites, have a stroll round Brixton or Hackney of an evening.
Drink in the diversity.

[henry d]

What data can I use then? The data you got from just seeing different people from yourself on the streets? Not exactly academic research. I did not make any assumptions, I used the figures available to me rather than something someone saw so it must be true.

Using your 200K net migration/year and the majority staying in London, say 110K/year x 7 years for legals thats over 3/4 M people, where do they live? How many new builds have there been in London in 7 years? I`m sure I don`t know and they need to have proper addresses as they are legals! Your first "fact" link does not help you either it says we cannot be sure how many irregular residents are here and uses and estimation (not a fact) from 2007 which if my maths is right is before 2011which makes your fact not a fact as there is no basis for it.

Second link is not much better "A Home Office spokeswoman said: "We do not recognise the estimate provided by Migration Watch UK. By its very nature, it is not possible to estimate with any confidence the size of the illegal population."

The final one is also shot down as it uses the figures from the first and is refuted by the home office above, so all in all no real numbers anywhere to be seen as you won`t allow official stats to be used and rely on possibles and maybes from a political or socially right wing leaning website!

[Westward]

Henry. As I said once before: Life's too short to argue with lefties, but just this once let me point out that Migration Watch data is from the Office of National Statistics.

[Rewulf]

20 minutes ago, henry d said:

What data can I use then? The data you got from just seeing different people from yourself on the streets? Not exactly academic research. I did not make any assumptions, I used the figures available to me rather than something someone saw so it must be true.
I actually never said that, I said 'Have you been to London lately'

Using your 200K net migration/year and the majority staying in London, say 110K/year x 7 years for legals thats over 3/4 M people, where do they live? How many new builds have there been in London in 7 years? I`m sure I don`t know and they need to have proper addresses as they are legals! Your first "fact" link does not help you either it says we cannot be sure how many irregular residents are here and uses and estimation (not a fact) from 2007 which if my maths is right is before 2011which makes your fact not a fact as there is no basis for it.

Second link is not much better "A Home Office spokeswoman said: "We do not recognise the estimate provided by Migration Watch UK. By its very nature, it is not possible to estimate with any confidence the size of the illegal population."

😂 They dont know the figure, but MW figure is wrong ?!

The final one is also shot down as it uses the figures from the first and is refuted by the home office above, so all in all no real numbers anywhere to be seen as you won`t allow official stats to be used and rely on possibles and maybes from a political or socially right wing leaning website!

OK Henry, there are no illegal immigrants in London , and there is a massive majority of English white people, who are all racists and vote for the Gammon party.
Is that better ?
Do those figures work for you ?

 

2 minutes ago, Westward said:

Henry. As I said once before: Life's too short to argue with lefties, but just this once let me point out that Migration Watch data is from the Office of National Statistics.

Thanks Westward, which, if he had read the links properly, he would have seen.

[Vince Green]

5 hours ago, Rewulf said:

 hundreds of thousands of people living in the UK illegally 

The figure I have seen suggested 1.5 million

[besty57]

Or take the blinkers off,and use your eyes.

[Rewulf]

13 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

The figure I have seen suggested 1.5 million

Wouldnt surprise me in the slightest, I said 100s of 1000s , but that was obviously far too much for him.

 

7 minutes ago, besty57 said:

Or take the blinkers off,and use your eyes.

From what Ive gathered, this isnt a reliable method of gathering intelligence 😁
Unless the government says a figure (and it wont ever) and not a right wing government either, then we just have to assume there isnt a problem with illegals in this country 😂

[12gauge82]

There's an old saying, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink".

You did your best Rewulf!

[Dave-G]

Could someone with a dashcam take a slow ride down some streets in London and maybe some other enclaves and post the video please?

 

[Vince Green]

 

1 hour ago, Dave-G said:

Could someone with a dashcam take a slow ride down some streets in London and maybe some other enclaves and post the video please?

 

You live in Leicester, you can make your own