Ultrastu Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) I picked up a 20 b kofs ou shotty today for £450 . I got the junior version with a 13 inch pull and 26 inch barrels .its very light and swings really well . Looking forward to getting it in the field on some pige .also picked up a slab of rc sipe 28 grm no5 . (English 4.5 ) to go with. The gun lools nicely put together and much better machined than the equivalent yildiz i held the other week. Stu Edited September 21, 2018 by Ultrastu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted September 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 I was gonna get a 28 bore instead of the 20 but i cant find a single shop that sells any 28 b carts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 very well made guns, and the sipe carts are very good, i use the in my 20 bore.they kick a bit as well but hit hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted September 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 Cheers mossy . Hope to get out for a shoot this weekend .will try those carts . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 Sounds good but 13” lop how short are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getthegat Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 Kofs? Not heard of them I don't think. Why the junior version? Loving my new 20, was going to have a couple hours on maize stubble tomorrow with it, but it's at Eastern Sporting having a rubber butt pad fitted, so it's back to 12 gauge. Good luck with the new acquisition 🤗 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted September 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 Just now, welshwarrior said: Sounds good but 13” lop how short are you? Thats a good question . Im 5 .11 and quite muscley But i like my stocks to be 13.3/4 inch pull .exactly the same as a rifle .i dont like or get on with pulls longer than 14 inch so a standard 14.5 or 14.75 pull is too much . Often blokes who have bigger shoulders and arms (in muscle size ) need a shorter pull . So its easier to just put a pad on the end of a 13 inch stock to make it 13.75 rather than have to start cutting an inch off a brand new gun . And the 26 inch barrels balance better in the shorter stock with alloy action . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted September 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 Also i might have this gun moderated in the future. So the 26 inch barrels will help with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 5’11” and 13 3/4” stock is very short and a very new one on me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob525 Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 Big peck and shoulder takes place of the rest of the stock... new to me too but makes sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted September 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 Just now, welshwarrior said: 5’11” and 13 3/4” stock is very short and a very new one on me. If its perfect for a rifle why not a shotgun .? I know they are different bit surely not to the tune of an extra inch .? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) They are very different and balance and handle differently a lighter shotgun would also have a longer stock to a heavier one. Grip shapes effect the length as well on both shotguns and rifles. its not a one size fits all. Edited September 21, 2018 by welshwarrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted September 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 Mate has a 14.75 inch hatsan sa.i cant shoot it .it snags every time i try to shoulder it and both my hands feel too far forward to balance the gun . He is a bit smaller than i all round and he too finds it a bit long but not as bad as i do . Un fortunately its a synthetic stock and not easy to alter . Ps he was with me today and when i bought my kofs and also liked the 13.75 in (with pad ) pull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 Something sounds off to me can’t say what without seeing you shoot though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getthegat Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 If it fits and works don't knock it. Gun looks great and I can appreciate what you're saying about the 26" barrels, my Affinity only has 27" and I find that very easy to swing, especially in a hide. Of out with mine right now 🤗 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 15 hours ago, welshwarrior said: Sounds good but 13” lop how short are you? I really carnt see how a persons height affects length of pull . Surely it’s the length of your arms and your general build . Some of us are awkward shaped ,I am 5 foot 11 inches and broad shouldered with big arms and hands . 14 inch L.O.P suits me fine . Harnser 14 hours ago, welshwarrior said: Something sounds off to me can’t say what without seeing you shoot though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 Generally short people have shorter arms etc so shorter stocks. On a side note most clients I see ‘with guns that fit well enough’ don’t have guns that fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted September 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 4 hours ago, welshwarrior said: Generally short people have shorter arms etc so shorter stocks. On a side note most clients I see ‘with guns that fit well enough’ don’t have guns that fit. Could you explain that please ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 I see a huge amount of people shooting lots say their guns fit well enough. Often what this means is they have worked out how to shoot that gun, to improve their shooting often their gun fit needs to be improved this will then allow them to mount the gun correctly and or shoot the gun in the correct manner. As we tweak fit technique etc we squeeze out a few more birds be that clay or game. Most people don’t recognise these issues in their own shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 Well I've never had a gun fit me right as I'm like a orangutan! 6'6" 14 stone, neck like a giraffe, and if I've measured right (inside elbow/crook to first joint back from tip of trigger finger) my lop is 16 1/4". Never had a gun fit me nice which is why after 100 clays my cheek bone hurts but I've learned the hard way how to hit. BTW nice looking gun, lovely scroll work, not too ott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted September 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) Thanks that makes more sense . The gun is really nice and seems to have every thing i need . Multi chokes.ali block .Walnut stock .parkerised 26 inch barrels .selectable non auto safety .ejectors .shorter stock And i actually paid £435 for the gun . And it opens and closes lovely and the machining looks spot on.wood to metal is ok and the engraving is shallow and a bit patchy but those things dont bother me. It always amazes me that more shot guns dont come with adjustable stocks for pull and comb height .as its so critical to hitting what you think your aiming at . Edited September 22, 2018 by Ultrastu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbob Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 On 21/09/2018 at 22:24, welshwarrior said: 5’11” and 13 3/4” stock is very short and a very new one on me. I have pal who is about the same height as op and is well built. He swears by a 13.5" lop. He prefers shooting a gun with his nose literally on the back of the receiver. He see's no problem taking a new gun and lopping of an inch. He also says I should cut my gun down. I'm 6ft with medium build, long arms and neck, my lop is 14.5". I don't get it but that doesn't take away fron the fact he can hit more than me 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted September 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 Now im not saying im as big as branch warren here .but its clear to see how the size of the shoulder muscle and pec actually shortens the ideal distance to your trigger finger and the ideal lop of the gun . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 15 hours ago, strimmer_13 said: Well I've never had a gun fit me right as I'm like a orangutan! 6'6" 14 stone, neck like a giraffe, and if I've measured right (inside elbow/crook to first joint back from tip of trigger finger) my lop is 16 1/4". Never had a gun fit me nice which is why after 100 clays my cheek bone hurts but I've learned the hard way how to hit. BTW nice looking gun, lovely scroll work, not too ott Obviously somewhat unusual physical characteristics can make a mockery of any pre-conceived ideas about gun fit. If a more normal shape is assumed then the biggest single factor relating to LoP has nothing to do with the elbow/first finger joint - that just tells you how long your arm is - but is more to do with the length of your neck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted September 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 Well managed to get out with the new ou. today .set up for 2 hours on the bean stubble .did ok .the gun shoots where im looking but does have a tendancy to hit me in the face and hurt my right cheek I guess this is because the gun is so light at 5.6 pounds. I was using 28 .30 and 32 grm carts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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