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shotguns are rather simple really.

if anyone is seriously contemplating extreme distances, maybe a 10 gauge + bigload is on the cards. afterall it is doable, is it not?

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49 minutes ago, motty said:

I wouldn't say totally meaningless, but not particularly meaningful.

Yep, that'll do nicely. You can tell they're used to long range shooting. If it's thought that a DVD is representative of the vulnerable area of a pheasant they've obviously never seen one up close.

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That vid makes me laugh .

3 pellet holes in a dvd at 55 yds .and he thinks thats gonna kill a pheasant  ? Nah not a chance .

There were some huge gaps in that card where that dvd wouldnt have been touched at all .he needs to reduce the range to 40 yds max and make it more meaningful 

 

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Just now, gotgcoalman said:

Thought the "industry standard" was 40 yards and pellet count in a 30" circle 🤔

Not 55 yards at a free porn Dvd out of the Sunday Sport.😕

🤣😂😅

Was out today shooting crows with my mate .and carrion  crows at 40 +  yds didnt drop to blackgold.no5  But get them within 35 and they were toast.

And as we were using moderated 20b with 1/2 and 3/4 choke. You can actually hear the pellets hit the bird and watch it fly on. .

I think 55 yds is 15 yds too far. Let alone 70 yds is a joke. 

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1 hour ago, Ultrastu said:

🤣😂😅

Was out today shooting crows with my mate .and carrion  crows at 40 +  yds didnt drop to blackgold.no5  But get them within 35 and they were toast.

And as we were using moderated 20b with 1/2 and 3/4 choke. You can actually hear the pellets hit the bird and watch it fly on. .

I think 55 yds is 15 yds too far. Let alone 70 yds is a joke. 

Surely you can't compare a moderated 20b (presumably using "sensible" velocities) with 34g+ loads of 5's fired through a 12 gauge ? I think 55 yards is within a whole lot of peoples and loads capabilities, 70 yards is too risky because wounding becomes inevitable. 

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1 hour ago, Ultrastu said:

🤣😂😅

Was out today shooting crows with my mate .and carrion  crows at 40 +  yds didnt drop to blackgold.no5  But get them within 35 and they were toast.

And as we were using moderated 20b with 1/2 and 3/4 choke. You can actually hear the pellets hit the bird and watch it fly on. .

I think 55 yds is 15 yds too far. Let alone 70 yds is a joke. 

Your 40 yard crows should have been toast. You didn't do your bit.

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40 yards measured. Home load 32g #4 subsonic.

Hatstand pump with a hushpower can.

Use these up to 50 yards on magpies feeding on the ground not in flight.

Pattern opens up a lot with the extra 10 yards though.

70 yards you could probably fit a cow through the holes in the pattern.

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25 minutes ago, motty said:

Your 40 yard crows should have been toast. You didn't do your bit.

Exactly 100% agree. Far too many Blame there tools and not themselves. I'd love to tell the story about the " Na Sayers " regarding " Nutting Geese at 50yrd with a .410.

Short version i won the bet along with a Public apologize ( on another Forum ) after a witnessed 4 for 4.

Respected member Anser2 has also witnessed what 32grm of 7.5 Winchester Trap 200 will do to Foreshore Pinks under the chin

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Just now, Hamster said:

Surely you can't compare a moderated 20b (presumably using "sensible" velocities) with 34g+ loads of 5's fired through a 12 gauge ? I think 55 yards is within a whole lot of peoples and loads capabilities, 70 yards is too risky because wounding becomes inevitable. 

Both 20b sgotguns were shooting gamebore blackgold.no5 32 grm 

So nearly the same as your 34 grm grm no5 from a 12b .

And it was happeing to both both of us 

He has a hatsan semi .me a mossy 500 

Its been this way for the last 3 years of shooting these guns so nothing new .

 

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Just now, Ultrastu said:

Both 20b sgotguns were shooting gamebore blackgold.no5 32 grm 

So nearly the same as your 34 grm grm no5 from a 12b .

And it was happeing to both both of us 

He has a hatsan semi .me a mossy 500  

It's not my 34g, 😂  what speed are these loads ? You're not seriously telling us 5-10 yards meant they went from toast to their feathers acting like armour ? 

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5 minutes ago, JJsDad said:

You said 5 yrds was the deciding factor earlier. Now its 10 yrds ? Perhaps your 40 yrd crows were actually at 50 !

Not me!

16 minutes ago, Ultrastu said:

Gamebore black gold .?? You not heard of them ? 

Best and fastest cart available? No ? 

😨

Yes im saying 10 yds makes all the difference .energy falls off pattern opens up .

Have you been using a shotgun long?

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5 hours ago, dipper said:

It’s usually a 4” circle that represents the killing circle for a game bird not5”

The 4" is good for partridge and the DVD for pigeon because they both relate to the vulnerable area of the bird. The 5" is very useful for assessing pattern quality once you've ascertained the density. At one time this method was used to measure pattern density as there is a known relationship between a given density and the number of times a 5" disc can be placed in the 30 " circle without covering any pellet holes and the discs do not overlap.

Edit: Better quickly add that, as ever with a shotgun when patterning it, that's on average.

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9 hours ago, wymberley said:

Just watched that video. Is it just me that believes that it is totally meaningless?

yes i agree  he only fires one shot at the target, do it 5 times and you will get different results every time how can you judge consistency with 1 shot a stationary target hes  a very good game and clay shot dave carrie and pulls some awesome birds down in his vids but in the pattern tests he fires one shot at a dvd and if 2 or 3 pellets hit it he says I,m happy with that, that  will kill a pheasant and it will but I would  like see him fire 10 shots and see the results 

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