GalleywoodHec Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 Morning all, A friend of mine has a big problem with these on a private fishing lake, in a nut shell, can they be controlled or are they protected in this country and is sub 12lb silenced PCP an effective means or would you be looking at a shotgun ? My friend has access to either method if it's allowed and shots would be taken at no more than 25 yards hence me asking about a PCP, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 1 minute ago, GalleywoodHec said: Morning all, A friend of mine has a big problem with these on a private fishing lake, in a nut shell, can they be controlled or are they protected in this country and is sub 12lb silenced PCP an effective means or would you be looking at a shotgun ? My friend has access to either method if it's allowed and shots would be taken at no more than 25 yards hence me asking about a PCP, thanks. Shotgun and steel shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 Airguns generally shoot lead pellets . And you cant use lead to kill waterfoul And lead free pellets dont have the terminal capability . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalleywoodHec Posted November 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: Airguns generally shoot lead pellets . And you cant use lead to kill waterfoul And lead free pellets dont have the terminal capability . Great, thanks for that Stu that rules out the PCP option as Penelope has replied I think its the steel shot and shotgun route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 I would . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 Pity we can't get solid copper 17HMR ..like TTSX ... perfect. Used to sort canadas many moons ago with a 22RF moderated and best was eight before they spooked, all head shot. However steel it must be to stay legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear1cat Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 I thought the law was that you can’t use lead SHOT, which would not cover bullets or pellets. Or do I have that wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Ultrastu said: Airguns generally shoot lead pellets . And you cant use lead to kill waterfoul And lead free pellets dont have the terminal capability . The lead issue only refers to a firearm that has a smooth bore, you can use a rifle to shoot Canada geese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipdog Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, old'un said: The lead issue only refers to a firearm that has a smooth bore, you can use a rifle to shoot Canada geese. correct, well said We have enough rules to abide by without making up some of our own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytree Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 43 minutes ago, zipdog said: correct, well said We have enough rules to abide by without making up some of our own Armchair lawyers! Shotgun and lead free shot is the noisy way. 2 shots and they're all gone. A sub 12 is quieter and at that kind of range will drop a canada goose quite easily. A lot of people will moan and say it's not ethical but a headshot at that range is a dead goose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, timmytree said: Armchair lawyers! Shotgun and lead free shot is the noisy way. 2 shots and they're all gone. A sub 12 is quieter and at that kind of range will drop a canada goose quite easily. A lot of people will moan and say it's not ethical but a headshot at that range is a dead goose. Im sure its possible, but is it legal ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipdog Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 38 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Im sure its possible, but is it legal ? YES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 38 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Im sure its possible, but is it legal ? "any other lawful quarry" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Walker570 said: Pity we can't get solid copper 17HMR ..like TTSX ... perfect. Used to sort canadas many moons ago with a 22RF moderated and best was eight before they spooked, all head shot. However steel it must be to stay legal. I agree with that one. Used to do the same with Pinks, they rarely came back either ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Shredder. Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 PM sent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipdog Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 2 hours ago, old'un said: "any other lawful quarry" Canada Geese are classed a vermin, unless your just a target shooter you should have vermin listed on your FAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 Wouldn't use a sub 12 on geese. The shotguns the steel will do the job nicely and if they go away not to return it's a bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 10 hours ago, Ultrastu said: Airguns generally shoot lead pellets . And you cant use lead to kill waterfoul And lead free pellets dont have the terminal capability . That is simply incorrect. You cannot use lead shot shotgun cartridges, but you can use lead bullets. I personally wouldn’t use a sub 12 air rifle. They are tough birds. I use rimfire and have it conditioned for Avian and All Lawfully Quarry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 Just now, Fisheruk said: That is simply incorrect. You cannot use lead shot shotgun cartridges, but you can use lead bullets. I personally wouldn’t use a sub 12 air rifle. They are tough birds. I use rimfire and have it conditioned for Avian and All Lawfully Quarry. So i made three points The first is correct . The second ? Well im not gonna shoot a goose with a lead projectile period .shot .bullet or pellet. You only need an over zealous judge to make an example of you .you can carry on tho . The third is correct . So to say "thats simply not correct " is incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: So i made three points The first is correct . The second ? Well im not gonna shoot a goose with a lead projectile period .shot .bullet or pellet. You only need an over zealous judge to make an example of you .you can carry on tho . The third is correct . So to say "thats simply not correct " is incorrect. Without making and issue with you, I can’t see a risk of prosecution if the FAC condition permits it. Regarding the third point I would certainly not use a sub 12 air rifle on any Canada, lead or non lead. It is just not man enough, IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 Just to clear this point up, Canada geese are classed as a pest (not vermin) they are on the GL and you are allowed under the conditions of this licence to shoot Canada geese with a rifle using lead bullets and a FAC that is conditioned for such (any other lawful quarry) I only know this as I was in a similar situation some time ago when asked to clear some Canada geese from a golf course, I spent a fair amount of time phoning BASC, Natural England and the police, BASC added that so long as I comply with the GL and my FAC is conditioned for “any other lawful quarry” I would not be breaking any laws. I would add that an air rifle is more than capable of killing Canada geese (head shot) at 20-25 yards but I personally would not use a sub 12lb air rifle for the job, minimum .22lr and head shot and pick the right time of day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 1 hour ago, old'un said: Just to clear this point up, Canada geese are classed as a pest (not vermin) they are on the GL and you are allowed under the conditions of this licence to shoot Canada geese with a rifle using lead bullets and a FAC that is conditioned for such (any other lawful quarry) I only know this as I was in a similar situation some time ago when asked to clear some Canada geese from a golf course, I spent a fair amount of time phoning BASC, Natural England and the police, BASC added that so long as I comply with the GL and my FAC is conditioned for “any other lawful quarry” I would not be breaking any laws. I would add that an air rifle is more than capable of killing Canada geese (head shot) at 20-25 yards but I personally would not use a sub 12lb air rifle for the job, minimum .22lr and head shot and pick the right time of day. Spot on, on all accounts. Listen to the above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 On 21/11/2018 at 10:14, GalleywoodHec said: Great, thanks for that Stu that rules out the PCP option as Penelope has replied I think its the steel shot and shotgun route. Us zinc pellets, if your Mate can genuinely get within 25 yards for head shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Us zinc pellets, if your Mate can genuinely get within 25 yards for head shots. why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Us zinc pellets, if your Mate can genuinely get within 25 yards for head shots. 5 minutes ago, old'un said: why? Because they have no lead in them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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