Gordon R Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 oowee- seek medical help - seriously. I think you have a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Gordon R said: oowee- seek medical help - seriously. I think you have a problem. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 11 minutes ago, Gordon R said: I think they might care if you told them that for every £10 they donated - 50p went to the actual cause. Ok then, explain to me how cruk only spend 50p per £10 on the actual cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 15 minutes ago, toontastic said: Ok then, explain to me how cruk only spend 50p per £10 on the actual cause. Nobody said that either ! By their own admission it's more like 80 % goes to the cause, which , for a charity isn't too bad. https://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2015/09/24/80p-of-every-1-you-give-us-is-used-to-beat-cancer-why-the-suns-article-on-our-spending-is-plain-wrong/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 35 minutes ago, Gordon R said: oowee- seek medical help - seriously. I think you have a problem. 34 minutes ago, oowee said: 🙂 Gentlemen..... please let's not lose another thread to petty squabbling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Rewulf said: Nobody said that either ! Yes they did, I stated that nobody would probably be bothered if they were told the CEO of cruk got paid 0.4p out of every £10 donated, Gordon R stated they would be bothered by only 50p per £10 being spent on the cause. Which as you have just proved is untrue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, shaun4860 said: In your job do you just take what you need or do you take the whole wage? Just asking You’ll never believe me but yup . I leave the business to pay for new kit . My whole wage is very little but my lads always get paid . 60 -70 hours and not a penny extra either. ( me not the lads ) Edited November 24, 2018 by team tractor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 26 minutes ago, toontastic said: Yes they did, I stated that nobody would probably be bothered if they were told the CEO of cruk got paid 0.4p out of every £10 donated, Gordon R stated they would be bothered by only 50p per £10 being spent on the cause. Which as you have just proved is untrue Gordon can speak for himself, but I didn't take it to mean he was saying CRUK only spent half it's income on the cause. Rather there are charities that do , and some even less than that. Or are you saying that's not true ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yod dropper Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 I used to have business dealings with the odd sizeable charity and had some insight into their governance and efficiency and some of it was truly shocking. In any other organisation the CEO on their big fat salary would have been gone. You don't necessarily get what you pay for. A good friend of mine is CEO of a high profile charity. By his own admission what had gone on and what he was putting an end to was unbelievable. I think the top paid charity CEO is at Motability, in excess of £1M pa and there are a few £billion sat there not being utilised. Definitely not getting what you pay for. Some of them will be really well run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 Quote Gentlemen..... please let's not lose another thread to petty squabbling. Shaun - point taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 Quote Ok then, explain to me how cruk only spend 50p per £10 on the actual cause. I didn't mention cruk - you did. How much of the mega millions of the money raised by Band Aid - all those years ago - got through? Did it reach £1m? It didn't go to pay for re-arming the dictator did it? They didn't have a mega paid CEO to fork out for either. Cue some bright spark saying if they had have done, the money would have got through. Delusional, in my book. As someone has already mentioned, it would be more transparent if charities published clearly (and at the point of donation) just how much is spent on the actual purpose of the charity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 4 hours ago, toontastic said: But it isn't as simple as that, if you tell someone donating £10 to cruk that 0.4 of a penny will go towards paying the person in charge do you honestly think they'll care. 3 hours ago, Gordon R said: I think they might care if you told them that for every £10 they donated - 50p went to the actual cause. There you go Gordon R just to refresh your memory, I clearly mentioned people not caring if 0.4p out of every £10 donated to CRUK to which you replied they would care if they were told only 50p out of every £10 went to the actual cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 toontastic - I was making the general point that donors are unaware of just how much gets through. I did not mention cruk - to refresh your memory. If you think you are scoring points by citing cruk - go ahead - bury your head in the sand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Gordon R said: it would be more transparent if charities published clearly (and at the point of donation) just how much is spent on the actual purpose of the charity How could they possibly do that? Their wages and CEO pay is a fixed cost, what they bring in from donations changes every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: How could they possibly do that? Their wages and CEO pay is a fixed cost, what they bring in from donations changes every year. By percentage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rewulf said: By percentage. It would change every year... same as real term figures ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 16 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: It would change every year... same as real term figures ... Salaries are static ,but the amounts collected change. If they go up the CEOs often pay themselves a bonus, they quite often pay themselves a bonus anyway. My idea was they publish how much of money collected goes to the cause, via percentage. If you are proud of your charity's performance, then surely you want to let possible donors know ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 (edited) charities are big business and cash rich four out of five charities I did work for in the past paid me with a coutts cheque back in the day you had to have a million £ in your acc and not in assets to have an account with them imagine the confusion at Lloyds counter tellers did not come across coutts checks very often and had to go find a manager etc charities get big tax breaks business rates etc Edited November 25, 2018 by Saltings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 7 hours ago, Saltings said: charities are big business and cash rich four out of five charities I did work for in the past paid me with a coutts cheque back in the day you had to have a million £ in your acc and not in assets to have an account with them imagine the confusion at Lloyds counter tellers did not come across coutts checks very often and had to go find a manager etc charities get big tax breaks business rates etc Along with the pensions, they’re probaby one of the big investors. RNLI lost many millions when Iceland tanked on investments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 It is wise for charities to hold significant reserve investments. A charity such as RNLI, Cancer Research etc. have long term ongoing commitments; staff, assets (boats, research equipment, property) that are 'fixed', - and income that can fluctuate. That needs a buffer. As has been said - it is a business - of a particular type, but needs proper financial and staff, asset and property planning over the longer term to operate efficiently and reliably. Those charities that are 'event driven' (such as various specific disaster and famine relief have a different set of problems and their income and outgoings may fluctuate dramatically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 We’re not talking about selling a few cakes for the local WI, these are and have to be, run as a business and like any business,there are commensurate salaries to be paid. I challenge anyone on here that if offered these sort of sums of remuneration, that they would decline..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jaymo said: We’re not talking about selling a few cakes for the local WI, these are and have to be, run as a business and like any business,there are commensurate salaries to be paid. I challenge anyone on here that if offered these sort of sums of remuneration, that they would decline..... Exactly! People seem to think because they've given up a day or weekend then charity staff should work for pittance. Its easy to point fingers when it's just a day here and there. Try doing it full time, you'd soon see its not realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted November 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 22 hours ago, Rewulf said: Its not a business , its a charity ! What do these people do besides 'make tough decisions' ? http://offlinehbpl.hbpl.co.uk/NewsAttachments/NST/Feat1PayStudy3.pdf Nail on the head here> It's a charity not a business. My initial post on this referred to the obscene amounts a guy was receiving in pay from a concern whose mandate is to help people in great need. I worked for the English Springer Spaniel Rescue for several years on the homing team, My pay? Only the reward of seeing my labours putting a rescue dog into a forever, loving home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 It's just the same old, 'who wants to be a millionaire?' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 25 minutes ago, old man said: It's just the same old, 'who wants to be a millionaire?' And I suppose you'll be telling us next you would turn down the big salary if you were offered one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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