gary pierce Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 i have a 22 rim fire lm thinking of getting a 17hmr as some of my ground has flint and the 22 ricochets any help regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, gary pierce said: i have a 22 rim fire lm thinking of getting a 17hmr as some of my ground has flint and the 22 ricochets any help regards. Don't think an HMR is immune from ricochet, it's better, due to the frangible bullet, but the same care needs to be taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary pierce Posted December 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 ok many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddoakley Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 .22lr is very prone to ricochet because its a heavy lump traveling relatively slowly, the hmr tends to break up but not always so precations still need to be taken. I think the hmr has had its time of being flavour of the month. It's noisy, expensive to feed (getting on for £20/box now) and is limited in what it can do. It's not a foxing round. Sure, it will kill them but if you are foxing you really should be looking at .22 c.f. of some description. So that makes it a rabbit gun. I think .22lr is good to 80 yards for a reasonable shot, further if you are confident in pushing it. .17hmr reasonably 120? I know people will shoot it further but a rabbits head at more than that is very small. And hitting them in the front end with the hmr makes a mess. So if you have a lot of rabbits between 80 and 120 yards, you don't want to eat them or you are a very good shot, noise isn't a problem and you don't mind paying 3-4 times as much for ammo then it's a good tool. Oh, unless you are in a particularly windy area. Pretty limited as far as I'm concerned. Thoughts? Edd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) Any bullet will rico given the right surface angle/surface etc etc BUT the 17 HMR has probably the best record. I don't think Gary mentioned foxes and I agree, not a choice. I am a great fan of the 17 HMR, it is so surgical out to 150-200yrds ...cost? ...how much is a packet of fags these days and a pint of beer ? Due to it's accuracy very few rounds are wasted once you have it zeroed in and that depends on what you are using it for it will do the job on small verminous things, fur or feather. I have a 22RF for mainly those jobs where I want as near silent conditions as possible .... I haven't worked out yet how to silence the THWOCK!!! as the bullet arrives .... to day on the squirrels on pheasant feeders and able to tidy up nine without the pheasants being concerned and quiet enough that a nice tasty young muntie buck made an offer I couldn't refuse. (just happened I had the 22 Bench Rest with me as well). You will enjoy the 17HMR. Edited December 9, 2018 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haynes Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, eddoakley said: .22lr is very prone to ricochet because its a heavy lump traveling relatively slowly, the hmr tends to break up but not always so precations still need to be taken. I think the hmr has had its time of being flavour of the month. It's noisy, expensive to feed (getting on for £20/box now) and is limited in what it can do. It's not a foxing round. Sure, it will kill them but if you are foxing you really should be looking at .22 c.f. of some description. So that makes it a rabbit gun. I think .22lr is good to 80 yards for a reasonable shot, further if you are confident in pushing it. .17hmr reasonably 120? I know people will shoot it further but a rabbits head at more than that is very small. And hitting them in the front end with the hmr makes a mess. So if you have a lot of rabbits between 80 and 120 yards, you don't want to eat them or you are a very good shot, noise isn't a problem and you don't mind paying 3-4 times as much for ammo then it's a good tool. Oh, unless you are in a particularly windy area. Pretty limited as far as I'm concerned. Thoughts? Edd I thought this. My hmr sits in the cabinet. Thinking i should sell it. The 22lr is my go to rifle. Ive often shot rabbits to 100yrds. Its just soo quiet. Id rather swap the hmr for a wmr. More clout and consistent ammo. Each to there own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 I would agree with some of the second half of your post edd distances i would say are further for both calibres and the both calibres arent true foxing guns however both are capable at acceptable ranges for surprise foxes , l have both and go through bouts of using one for a good while before deciding i like the other one better, however if it was a choice between the two i would keep the .22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prem1234 Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 Think Edd and Walker has pretty much covered things.....although the HMR is also good at taking longer range Corvids out when they are down on the ground wandering around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 If your looking to kill rabbits to eat ..eg head shot...then buy a FAC air rifle and learn to stalk. If like me your expected to kill vermin be it rabbits, squirrels , magpies, crows on the deck then the 17HMR is the tool. I leave my carcases for the ever increasing numbers of buzzards and red kites..whilst they are stuffing themselves with one of those they will hopefully leave the game birds alone. The 17 HMR also opens them up ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 When you finish work this week pop round and I'll Message you my address and I'll take you to show you the .17hmr v .22rf using subsonics and high velocity. alternatively I'll meet you over at one of my permissions not far from work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbel Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 I have both, horses for courses, like both but the hmr still ricochet, out the two I would take the hmr out so accurate, rarely ever get a runner, as said very accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 31 minutes ago, eddoakley said: .22lr is very prone to ricochet because its a heavy lump traveling relatively slowly, the hmr tends to break up but not always so precations still need to be taken. I think the hmr has had its time of being flavour of the month. It's noisy, expensive to feed (getting on for £20/box now) and is limited in what it can do. It's not a foxing round. Sure, it will kill them but if you are foxing you really should be looking at .22 c.f. of some description. So that makes it a rabbit gun. I think .22lr is good to 80 yards for a reasonable shot, further if you are confident in pushing it. .17hmr reasonably 120? I know people will shoot it further but a rabbits head at more than that is very small. And hitting them in the front end with the hmr makes a mess. So if you have a lot of rabbits between 80 and 120 yards, you don't want to eat them or you are a very good shot, noise isn't a problem and you don't mind paying 3-4 times as much for ammo then it's a good tool. Oh, unless you are in a particularly windy area. Pretty limited as far as I'm concerned. Thoughts? Edd The first bullet point is a fact whereas the rest are opinions and there's nowt wrong with that. However, a second fact is that the HMR is less affected by wind than a subsonic LR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, wymberley said: The first bullet point is a fact whereas the rest are opinions and there's nowt wrong with that. However, a second fact is that the HMR is less affected by wind than a subsonic LR. Yes of course but surely you are not comparing like for like? There are very accurate supersonic .22lr rounds that I would happily shoot in a good barrel up to 100-110yds. There are no .17HMR subsonic rounds of which I am aware so then it’s all about energy down range. I enjoy pest controlling with my mate and his .17HMR, but It is noisey and wind does effect it. I am thinking I may get a .22WMR from which the HMR emerged. One of my ‘keeper mates described it as “a solution to an unknown problem” which FOR ME sums it up. I know lots of folks swear by them and by god they are accurate when set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 I have both and cf. they all have their uses. Toolbox, choose the one for the job. The HMR is very useful and I second everything Walker said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitester Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 The hmr is a very versatile round and it'll do most things well, some better than others,some worse. I'v toyed with the idea of getting rid but wouldn't be without it. Yes it's noisy and exspensive but it has a bit of reach and is less prone to bouncing than the lr so it's staying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benthejockey Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 THe HMR was my first rifle so I’m probably a little bit biased but I do love it. Touch wood I’ve never had any of the ammo problems that were widely publicised early on and I’ve shot a lot with it. I’ve cleaned it maybe a handful of times and that’s only with a bore snake and it’s still as accurate as the day I bought it. If you’re wanting to eat the rabbits you shoot then you’ve got to head shoot them, you can chest shoot them but you do run the risk of rupturing the guts because that little bullet explodes! I’ve shot a lot of foxes with it, it’s not the best tool for the job but it is an adequate tool for the job. Shoot them in the head and they fall over. Chest shooting them is an option but the tiny bullet doesn’t always drop them on the spot and they will run. The bullets will bounce, not as regularly as a 22 but the they still do ricochet. And I’ve found they will ricochet off bizzare things - one zinged off a cow pat one day! Overall it’s a handy little gun to have in the cupboard and I wouldn’t be without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipdog Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Have both a 22 and a 17 HMR as well as centrefire rifles. 17 HMR gets the most time out of the cabinet. I would say its hard to find a specific use case for the 17, a 22 lr is cheaper and quiter, a 22 hornet has more range punch and range, but what the 17 HMR does is a little bit of everything adequately. Its the Skoda Yeti of calibres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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