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2 hours ago, aberisle said:

What sort of load data would you use with these, would you be able to pick a load that uses plastic wad and sub one of these wads? it would be nice if you could

Cannot see why not but remember you will still need a fibre wad and an obturator wad. The latter is where the issue arises as most are plastic unless you can make up some inverted cardboard cup wads (see separate thread). These wads are also thicker walled than plastic so will take less shot although I have never compared them.

hope this helps, good luck

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I use a 4mm over powder card under the shotcup as a gas seal. Its what Gamebore do in their Silver Steel. I patterned some at the weekend and they were very even. I have used these exclusively this season and have a full freezer so its clear they work.

Load data wise I use the same as you would for a plastic wad. My 32 gram steel load has 32 grains of SSB+150 under it

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42 minutes ago, Diss4111 said:

I use a 4mm over powder card under the shotcup as a gas seal. Its what Gamebore do in their Silver Steel. I patterned some at the weekend and they were very even. I have used these exclusively this season and have a full freezer so its clear they work.

Load data wise I use the same as you would for a plastic wad. My 32 gram steel load has 32 grains of SSB+150 under it

Thanks will try that load

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22 hours ago, aberisle said:

What sort of load data would you use with these, would you be able to pick a load that uses plastic wad and sub one of these wads? it would be nice if you could

I very much doubt you could use these wads as a direct substitute for any plastic wad.

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2 hours ago, motty said:

I very much doubt you could use these wads as a direct substitute for any plastic wad.

In an earlier thread about fibre cups it was stated that C&G suggested that a direct substitution plastic to fibre was ok.. i tried recipes for fibre wad from C&G and the wad fell in tatters about 1m away from muzzle, the patterns looked fine

54 minutes ago, johnnytheboy said:

Anyone tried these in a semi auto, they were sold in Sweden and they had huge problem with them jamming

The above was only at a pattern plate and cycled fine with the limited amount I used

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7 hours ago, figgy said:

I like the look of the cardboard type with integrated gas seal. I think these would be less prone to pin holes from shot on moving up the barrel. Also look thin as the the plastic wads so no volume change.

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Yep ... looks like a decent gas seal, although  I'd prefer a thicker card for big steel.

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12 hours ago, johnnytheboy said:

Available in Denmark now

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As seen on Facebook 

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Sorry these were the pheasant loads from Denmark 

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I have e mailed gamebore to see when these cartridges are likely to be available in the UK, their reply was that these cartridges are loaded outside of CIP regulations and cannot be sold in the UK. Looks like the sooner we are out of Europe the better

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Hi forum,
I'm a Danish realoder and have tested a little with this fiber shotcup from Clay & Game.

The Danish government has just arrived with a plastic policy, ending with plastic wads in shotshells. There is no date of entry into force. As quality, performance and safety are to be further developed with biodegradable wads.

I have done a small test with some of the cartridges on the Danish market. The results can be seen in this link.
Most cartridges are with light loads of 28 grams, # 5
A single is with 32 grams. Common to them is that the speed is from below 400 - 435 m / s
Danish hunting law. Minimum 400 m / s for steel shot used for hunting. No lead, Biggest pellets shot no. 1 (4 mm)

hope that it will work with copy below link to your browser 

https://strandoghavjagt.dk/forum/tema-hastighedstest-og-kvalitetstjek-af-haglpatroner/580-mini-test-af-patroner-med-nedbrydelige-forladninger-september-2018-af-chc

Tjek this link, sorry it is not in english, but use google translate 
Hmm, the alive link does not work.

 

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We need greater loads and higher speeds. 32 - 40 plus grams of steel with speeds up to 480 m / s

My test whith fiber shotcup from Clay Game.

Basically In this original charge.

12-70
32 grams
481m / s
795 bar
caliber: 12/70
case type: cheddite, plastic used, black gold
primer: CX2000
shot: 32 grams of steel
shot size: # 3 (3.5mm)
wad: VP65
crimping: 6-star and roll crimp
test powder: 37 grains Steel Alliant
Velocities distance: 1.2 meter

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Test with Biowad from Clays & Game

12/70 - 32 grams
Cheditte shell
Cx 2000 primer
Biowad 38 mm
Waxed Nitro Card 3 mm
32 grams of steel
35 grain Aliant Steel
Speed: 349 - 379 - 389 m / s

12/70 - 32 grams
Cheditte shell
Cx 2000 primer
Biowad 38 mm
Waxed Nitro Card 3 mm
32 grams of steel
37 grain Aliant Steel
Speed: about 400 m / s

12/76 - 34 grams
Cheditte shell
Cx 2000 primer
Biowad 38 mm
Waxed Nitro Card 3 mm
34 grams of steel
38 grain Aliant Steel
Speed: 388 - 389 m / s

12/76 - 34 grams
Cheditte shell
Cx 2000 primer
Biowad 38 mm
Waxed Nitro Card 3 mm X 2
34 grams of steel
40 grain Aliant Steel
Speed: 405 - 403 - 410 m / s


Charging with biowad from GameBore 38 mm + plastic disc from tube 43 (the cylinder cut off)

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Cheddite shell new, 12/70
Primer: CX2000
Wad fiber from GameBore; 38 mm + plastic disc from tubo 43.
Shot: 32 grams # 4
Aliant Steel: 35 grain.
Speed Test: 453 - 469 - 450 m / s V2 (This looks a lot better)

Test gun: Remington 870

I don´t know the pressure


When I lay my observation with fiber wad there is a desrobted out side along with the speed difference. Then I'm quite convinced that the 4 mm waxed nitro card is not close enough

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