HW95J Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Was out shooting yesterday with my Webley 810 (inertia operated semi). Having previously used English Sporter 28g PW without issue, I purchased a few slabs of these in fibre. I had a few different issues with it cycling. Often it would fire and eject cartridge number 1, chamber and fire cartridge 2 but not eject that one. Other times the first case wouldn't eject enough to leave the gun so obviously it jammed. Do fibre wad loads produce less recoil and therefore not eject as well as plastic? It's a bit strange because I've previously run 24g steel pretty reliably and as mentioned, the same cartridge in plastic. Suggestions welcome as I now have a good few cartridges which I may need to just put through the O/U instead... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 i have a arsman semi auto. and it will take any thing never had a jamming at all.plastic or fiber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalahari Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 I think the 810 is gas operated. At least mine is. A good clean inside the foreend and the gas vents might help. David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Inertia operated semi autos lime a certain amount of recoil to operate. Most when fully ran in will operate with some lighter recoilng carts it not all will. Try cleaning the gun and try oiling the slide rails and lightly oil the inertia spring and return spring. Hopefully it will then shoottbem ok. If it won't just use carts you know it likes or try running some heavy cartsthrougbt it to loosen it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Good clean and a wipe over with oil rag sorts 99.99% of ejection/cycling issues. If it is is operated make sure you poke the ports in the barrell with a cotton bud or similar. Never had an issue with fibre if plastic wads, just short carts on rare occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW95J Posted December 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Thanks everyone, will give it a good oiling before next shoot and see how that goes. I might just have to stick to heavier loads. I had a couple of 32g 5s and decided to give them a try- ran just fine. Just surprised that the same lighter load previously ran OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) Don't over oil it. Watch some you tube videos on cleaning and oiling inertia semi autos. Edited December 18, 2018 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 It’s gas operated .i had the 820 and would only take 70mm carts .are you using 70or65 mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 15 hours ago, mossy835 said: i have a arsman semi auto. and it will take any thing never had a jamming at all.plastic or fiber. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, HW95J said: Thanks everyone, will give it a good oiling before next shoot and see how that goes. I might just have to stick to heavier loads. I had a couple of 32g 5s and decided to give them a try- ran just fine. Just surprised that the same lighter load previously ran OK. 1 hour ago, Swinton said: It’s gas operated .i had the 820 and would only take 70mm carts .are you using 70or65 mm If it’s gas operated then, IMHO, a good cleaning regime to remove all carbon deposits and minimal oil is what will give you reliability. I use a little 20/50 motor oil on my Remington’s and they cycle down to 21g (fibre only due to our shoot restrictions) I did have some fails with homeloads which I corrected with better quality (better sealing) gas-checks. I also marginally increased the size of the gas sealing viton ring Edited December 18, 2018 by impala59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 We use Teflon for lubrication after cleaning with oil. The A391 was shooting and cycling 65mm 24 gramme fibre loads on Sunday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW95J Posted December 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) Pretty sure it's inertia operated rather than gas. Very clean but could be more lubricated, I think I'll try the teflon option to see how that goes. Edited December 18, 2018 by HW95J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW95J Posted December 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Having just taken it apart, I've realised that it is gas I had expected there to be a gas tube rather than the direct ports on the barrel as is the case. I must have read something somewhere that made me think it was inertia then combined that to reach an incorrect conclusion. Looks like it could do with a clean in those ports, though they're not particularly obstructed. Semi autos are a learning curve, I think I prefer my O/Us - they've always gone bang without issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 The 810 is gas .made in turkey if serial number starts with TRAN —————-.it was made by Sarsilmaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, HW95J said: Having just taken it apart, I've realised that it is gas I had expected there to be a gas tube rather than the direct ports on the barrel as is the case. I must have read something somewhere that made me think it was inertia then combined that to reach an incorrect conclusion. Looks like it could do with a clean in those ports, though they're not particularly obstructed. Semi autos are a learning curve, I think I prefer my O/Us - they've always gone bang without issue I had a drill bit welded to a T handle to clean the gas ports on our semi-auto's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 To keep a gas opp running correctly you generally need to strip and clean it after every usage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW95J Posted December 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, Swinton said: The 810 is gas .made in turkey if serial number starts with TRAN —————-.it was made by Sarsilmaz. Serial starts TR AK if that helps. Have given the ports a good brush and they're looking nice and clean now 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 There is usually an o-ring in front of the piston which seals the cylinder to the mag mag tube, if this o-ring is less than perfect it can lead to issues such as those you describe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW95J Posted December 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, sportsbob said: To keep a gas opp running correctly you generally need to strip and clean it after every usage. Had been doing this- just in blissful ignorance of the one part that actually needed attention As they're hidden under the ring that goes over the magazine tube, I didn't see them or know to look for them. Might not be shooting until January but I imagine this will sort it. RE the O-Ring- had replaced the old one with a spare already so it's not that Edited December 18, 2018 by HW95J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) Did you not think how does this dirty piston and mag tube keep getting so dirty after cleaning them? Edited December 18, 2018 by sportsbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW95J Posted December 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I had a drill bit welded to a T handle to clean the gas ports on our semi-auto's. Have liberated an old mascara brush from my better half and after a clean it's proving ideal with a bit of ballistol to do the job 2 minutes ago, sportsbob said: Did you not think how does this dirty piston and mag tube keep getting so dirty? Have used it a grand total of twice but yes I did wonder that. Didn't spend quite enough time following that thought process though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 👍😀 I know the feeling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shalfordninja33 Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 5 hours ago, impala59 said: If it’s gas operated then, IMHO, a good cleaning regime to remove all carbon deposits and minimal oil is what will give you reliability. I use a little 20/50 motor oil on my Remington’s and they cycle down to 21g (fibre only due to our shoot restrictions) I did have some fails with homeloads which I corrected with better quality (better sealing) gas-checks. I also marginally increased the size of the gas sealing viton ring I use synthetic motor on on my al391 and it will cycle 21 gram when clean 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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