Jacko3275 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) I have been clay shooting with friend a few time recently and love it so I have just posted my application The thing is back in 2002 I left my missus for another woman this is what the **** hit the fan a male friend of my ex called my new girl a slag and a home wrecker and slapped her so I did what most people would do and knocked 10 bails out of him this ended up with me getting done for ABH and 100hours community service... Then to follow the csa started taking half my wage so I chucked on the sick with depression to try and get rid of the csa (bad advice)since then I have had to sp30 fines What my chances of getting an sgc Thanks in advance Edited January 8, 2019 by Jacko3275 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 Very borderline in my opinion, especially if you mention (or they read on here and manage to link this to the application) that you went sick to try to avoid paying for your children's upkeep as it shows bad character/judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 it does to a certain extent depend on the liecencing authority that covers your area.......on how they veiw your case..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 Its in the lap of the gods,just be honest when you fill in the application,it can depend on were you live,i live on the wirral and my authority is merseyside and they wont give an inch,apply and be honest with them good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 You did put all of the above on your application I presume ? You should be fine ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 I would say no chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacko3275 Posted January 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 I was still paying to my kids just the csa was taking money based on previous years earnings Rewulf i was honest on the application the mild depression was down to money worries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 ABH and Doctors records of suffering depression (whether real or not). I'd so no way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 ABH is always a bad one when it comes to firearms, depending on the circumstances/level of injury ect, couple that with any history of mental instability, add in an attitude of anything other than total remorse, which Im sorry to say is not apparent with you, and you have to ask yourself, would YOU issue a shotgun certificate to you ? If and when you get an FEO interview (I doubt it TBH) they will ask you pertinent questions about the assault, and anything approaching 'he deserved it' will not go well for you. Its hard to judge someone from a few paragraphs, you may well be a decent person, but what you have put into words so far , doesnt bode well for your successful application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacko3275 Posted January 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, Walker570 said: I would say no chance. That my thoughts but thought I'd give it ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 55 minutes ago, Jacko3275 said: ...so I did what most people would do and knocked 10 bails out of him... I'm not convinced most people would take this course of action. You have a conviction for violence, albeit spent, but if the police reckon you would have shot the bloke given the chance, your likelihood of gaining a SGC is slim at best. Combined with depression this makes it even less likely. The SP30 shouldn't really be an issue. However, as others have said, be honest and polite - this will give you the best opportunity. You might have to settle shooting with your mate assuming you're not a prohibited person (5 years after a suspended sentence). Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 I reckon you might. I've known personally of people with abh and a ticket. Yours is 16years ago, this guy I used to shoot with got his after a year, then the following year his fac. Everybody above has valid points Dont be defeated yet, and good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, spandit said: You have a conviction for violence, albeit spent, Nothing is spent when it comes to firearms application. Speaking to FEO s , one of the most common things when it comes to refusing applications is people believing (wrongly) that they dont need to divulge historical crimes that they believe to be spent. One person at a club I go to , had his first app refused last year, due to the fact he didnt mention the fact he shot a policeman with an air rifle when he was a teenager, despite prompting from the FEO, he didnt believe the 45 year old incident was relevant ! He was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 I don't think everyone would have resorted to violence in that situation however angry it made you feel at the time. On that basis, it will probably be a no but you'll never know if you don't ask. Might be worth giving your local FEO a quick call to discuss your situation, they're usually more helpful than some would lead you to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, MartynGT4 said: I don't think everyone would have resorted to violence in that situation however angry it made you feel at the time. On that basis, it will probably be a no but you'll never know if you don't ask. Might be worth giving your local FEO a quick call to discuss your situation, they're usually more helpful than some would lead you to believe. His apps gone out, so its probably a bit late, though I suppose no harm in trying. The problem with FEOs is the actual decision of whether to grant or not is not down to them, they are just information gatherers, who can express an opinion. The FLM rubber stamps it..or not, and will not consider anything until the investigation is concluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) Personally I wouldn't trust you with a catapult - if someone at the clay ground calls your other half a tart are you going to going to give him a slap? Edited January 8, 2019 by bruno22rf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 Maybe worth trying fishing I am told it's therapeutic and may help with anger management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacko3275 Posted January 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 33 minutes ago, bruno22rf said: Personally I wouldn't trust you with a catapult - if someone at the clay ground calls your other half a tart are you going to going to give him a slap? He actually hit her dont know about you but I was brought up never to lay a hand on a woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) Correct and if it was mine he would have got the same back in the day 41 minutes ago, Jacko3275 said: He actually hit her dont know about you but I was brought up never to lay a hand on a woman Edited January 8, 2019 by Rim Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, bruno22rf said: Personally I wouldn't trust you with a catapult - if someone at the clay ground calls your other half a tart are you going to going to give him a slap? What sort of man are you sticks and stones yes but hitting your lady no no no and there is at least 70 percent on here that would do the same all be it they wont admit to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rim Fire said: What sort of man are you sticks and stones yes but hitting your lady no no no and there is at least 70 percent on here that would do the same all be it they wont admit to it The choices you make regards retaliation are a matter entirely up to you. Those choices often end up with consequences, as in the OP , he was convicted of ABH. Years later those consequence follow you, and those choices you made, make others make choices about you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 i was done with ABH many yrs ago i declare it every time on renewal it was 40 plus yrs ago admittedly but to say you wouldn't trust him with a catapult Jesus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Rim Fire said: i was done with ABH many yrs ago i declare it every time on renewal it was 40 plus yrs ago admittedly but to say you wouldn't trust him with a catapult Jesus Its just his opinion. At the end of the day, he could be a nice guy who lost his rag and swiped out 15 years ago, but that doesnt mean hes going to get an SGC. The FLM will weigh up the risks, and quite likely note his loss of control, and I know what youve said about 'anyone would have done the same' but thats not the point, not anyone is trusted with possession of firearms. You know as well as I do, any hint of argumentative or violent conduct, rightly or wrongly, even in self defence, tends to remove the possession of those firearms very quickly. So like I said, you make your choices, defend your womans honour with your fists if you must, but dont think for one moment youll be keeping your guns if the police get to hear about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 But surely a time factor will come into play if he has no prior convictions or been in any trouble since i know of people with both FAC and SG tickets if you hit there misses you wont be doing much shooting for some time but i take your point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just now, Rim Fire said: But surely a time factor will come into play if he has no prior convictions or been in any trouble since i know of people with both FAC and SG tickets if you hit there misses you wont be doing much shooting for some time but i take your point It does yes, and thats his only hope, whether he can convince them he is a reformed character. Myself and plenty of others on here have something of a chequered past 😲 and having a record doesnt immediately make you a non starter. But put yourself in the position of an FLM granting a ticket to someone with a violence conviction, who then goes on to use that firearm to kill or injure someone (maybe someone who insulted or even struck their wife/partner) not only has the judgement of that FLM get put under question, but the media storm and resultant scrutiny of all firearms holders and the way the police grant tickets will be under threat. Is it worth the risk ? Thats why I said to the OP , would you give yourself an SGC ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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