Blacksheep Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 Hi , i am just getting into reloading 12g and looking to make a fox shell basically something similar to an RC50 3 " Magnum with 50g of BB (lead) i'm having trouble finding any data sheets relating to heavier cartridges , I will be using Cheddite 3" unprimed cases but am unsure which wads/primers/powder to go for as most of the stuff i'm reading relates to American items , i have downloaded a date sheet from clay and game but its not quite what i am looking for Any help with where to look or known recipes would be much appreciated ( i have lymans 5th edition , its very dated ) Thanks Mat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 Have a look on powder makers websites they have data for the loads you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksheep Posted January 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 I am looking but not finding what i need , most don't seem to list 3 " and the one that do list components that you cant get in this country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 can you check out the data for bluedot? its made by alliant. there is a website you can check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diss4111 Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 Clay games CD says 76mm case, CX50 primer, 31 grains Vectan A0, 19mm fibre wad, 50 grams shot. Aprox 1100 FPS @ 2.5m and 751.6 bar pressure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 32 minutes ago, Diss4111 said: Clay games CD says 76mm case, CX50 primer, 31 grains Vectan A0, 19mm fibre wad, 50 grams shot. Aprox 1100 FPS @ 2.5m and 751.6 bar pressure that's old data!!!! A0 doesn't load 50g anymore even with CX50 2 hours ago, Blacksheep said: Hi , i am just getting into reloading 12g and looking to make a fox shell basically something similar to an RC50 3 " Magnum with 50g of BB (lead) i'm having trouble finding any data sheets relating to heavier cartridges , I will be using Cheddite 3" unprimed cases but am unsure which wads/primers/powder to go for as most of the stuff i'm reading relates to American items , i have downloaded a date sheet from clay and game but its not quite what i am looking for Any help with where to look or known recipes would be much appreciated ( i have lymans 5th edition , its very dated ) Thanks Mat What powders do you have handy? I got some recipes with Tecna, M92S, 800X, SP2 and maybe something else (need to check the proofing sheets) cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksheep Posted January 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 Hi i have not bought any powders yet , i'm off to the local shop this afternoon to see what powders and primers they stock and then locate a recipe/data sheet for whats available before i go back and buy anything , will post again later when i know what i can get Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakapiken Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 Here is data from Guilandi's site. HI-SKOR 800-X (Du Pont - USA) GAUGE CASE PRIMER GRAMS OF POWDER GRAMS OF SHOTS CRIMPING 12/76 PLASTIC 615/CX MIL 1,90/2,00 ==== 50 STAR J.A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) Alliant blue dot powder has plenty of loads for 3" fiochi case various wads and a couple of primer choice. Another to look at I'd Bubba Rowntree outdoors top ten buckshot loads on YouTube he has some 3" chedite and fiochi cases recipe's that hold a good pattern to 60m, worth a watch. Unless your using a lot of them is it not cheaper to just buy a box or two. Edited January 10, 2019 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 did someone say blue dot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 Yes you did cookoff013 there is an echo 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksheep Posted January 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 So would i be correct in saying that Cheddite and fiocci are the same case ? , it seems to be locating the correct wads thats the hard part Thanks for the help so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 Not as far as I know, I think they're different cases or hulls depending where your from. The wads most times have an equivalent you can use. . Most of the wads Wade uses on buna Rowntree outdoors are ballistic products so you should be able to buy them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, figgy said: Yes you did cookoff013 there is an echo 😁 yeah i thought so. i thought i heard it mentioned... incidently, it probably would be the best case in this scenario as a lb of powder would produce a good couple a hundred shells. looking at the data (yeah, thats what i did) and maybe some case a dual purpose such as 1.5oz. and some fun time loads, such as 1.5oz #9. what was that again ? bluedot ? there is an echo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksheep Posted January 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 So i take it that's a recommendation for Blue dot then ! , Thanks i will look into it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 If it were me id be looking at blue dot..😌 and hodgdon powder website longshot and others... maybe aliant steel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 55 minutes ago, islandgun said: If it were me id be looking at blue dot..😌 and hodgdon powder website longshot and others... maybe aliant steel Blue dot for me too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 23 minutes ago, Dave at kelton said: Blue dot for me too good point.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) You could also use Alliant steel instead of blue dot. I think I would copy one of Bubba Rowntree Outdoors Buckshot loads, all the shot on a 26" pattern board at 60 meters. Just change up the sizes of shot with a nice duplex load. Edited January 10, 2019 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted January 11, 2019 Report Share Posted January 11, 2019 I think, across my proof sheets these powders will be the cheaper you can find; same as the other components which are Fiocchi and B&P available either throuhg C&G or Folkstone: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Powder: SP2 12/76 Fio615 2,45 x 50 B&P z2m18 star crimped at 64mm (Exactly) V1= 409 m/s PMax: 854 bar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Powder: SP2 12/76 Fio615 2,35 x 52 B&P z2m15 star crimp @ 64 mm (Exactly) V1= 394 m/s PMax: 935 bar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Powder: SP8 12/76 Fio615 2,43 x 50 B&P z2m18 star crimp @ 65 mm (Exactly) V1= 398 m/s PMax: 849 bar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Powder: SP8 12/76 CX50 2,45x52 B&P z2m15 star crimp @ 64 mm (Exactly) . 829-876-880 v1 394-419 V1= 402 m/s PMax: 855 bar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I can't find the other heavy loads for 800X only 40ish grams (not that are less valid though) Cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksheep Posted January 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2019 Thanks for the advice , I have found some Blue dot powder and have several types of wad coming to match the recipes off the Alliant homepage , once it all arrives i will post my progress on here Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 Thats the way to do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAB1954 Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 Just seen this, think you where right to go with Blue Dot and Bubba Roundtree has plenty of options in the 1.5 - 1.7 ozs lead payload range. I have had some of his Blue Dot loads tested and they are fine which is to be expected because his powder charges are way lower than Alliant max on web site, but you never know. I have loaded a lot of Bubba loads from BB to 0 Buck and many pattern very well at extended range out of my Mossberg with the right choke. I would be interested to hear how you get on. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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