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    That's you lot, 200/300yrs ago was blood pressure and cholesterol an issue like it is today, I realise it might have not been known as it is today ..but was the diet of the time and lifestyle contrary to early deaths.

    cheers

    MM

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    A lot of cholesterol trouble is genetic. Diet only plays a part.

    I think a lot of people died of the same diseases and ailments we do today but they were unknown.

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    Iam 5' 7" and under 10 stone. Eat red meat twice a week and have a cholesterol level of 6. My doctor said to control it with diet.?

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    i think its like figgy says it was around but medics didnt understand it an anyway had no way of testing it[a bit like modern forensics in crime],technology moving on.

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    1 hour ago, madmax666 said:

    That's you lot, 200/300yrs ago was blood pressure and cholesterol an issue like it is today, I realise it might have not been known as it is today ..but was the diet of the time and lifestyle contrary to early deaths.

    cheers

    MM

    I will post you the name of the author of a book I have when I find it; which is called ‘The Great Cholestorol Con’. Very interesting. 

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    My uncle who is now 86,doctors told him his cholesterol was to high about 10 years ago and give him pills,started getting a sore leg and on speaking to another old boy mentioned about pills he got of doctor ,old boy said bin them he was the same.

     Went for another test for his cholesterol level doctor said it’s a lot better continue taking pills,uncle said I only took for 2 weeks and threw them in bin,asked if he had changed diet ,no I only eat what I like.

    butter,cream,etc everything they say you shouldn’t eat ,if I didn’t know what day it was and seen his dinner plate I could tell what day of the week it was.

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    I watched a program called the great diet myth or some such name just after Christmas. All these experts and all giving different advice, none could agree on what's good and what's bad. 

    To me a balanced diet and eating what you like with some excersise is the way.  Unless you been told specifically no to certain foods crack on and enjoy life.  We have all seen the 90 year old farmer who has eaten a diet of eggs milk cream and butter along with fried breakfast every morning, meat and vegetables dinners, enjoys a drink or two of an evening still fit and getting about.

    I do agree processed food will be a killer of lots of us in the future, too much messing with your food and chemicals can't be good for us.

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    200 years ago if you made it to over 40 years you were doing well, so I guess cholesterol wasn't a big problem!

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    Consumption, dysentery, violent death, malnutrition, sepsis, even infant mortality were all big killers back then.

    I gave up on statins after I tried three different types with no change in my levels (about 4-5 iirc) and I also suffered leg and joint pains, weird dreams and what appeared to be IBS, all of which ceased after a year or so off them.

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    11 hours ago, madmax666 said:

    That's you lot, 200/300yrs ago was blood pressure and cholesterol an issue like it is today, I realise it might have not been known as it is today ..but was the diet of the time and lifestyle contrary to early deaths.

    cheers

    MM

    I just had a quick Google...

    Apparently in the early 1700's average (English) life expectancy at birth was 34 years. By the 1800's that had risen to 40 years (if you made it passed the "child" stage then your life expectancy increased a fair bit)

    I would guess that blood pressure / cholesterol issues were probably always there (although I suspect that the modern diet may have caused more issues with regards cholesterol), but as has been noted previously they were unknown and / or people normally died before they became too much of an issue....

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    We are mammals who are born omnivores, your body can process natural fats and proteins as found in plants and animals that you would be expected by nature to eat in reasonable quantities, I think the main problems now come from man made proteins and fats and the additives put into things like cakes, biscuits, margarines, fast foods etc. Just my opinion.

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    Great grandad 91 ,Grandad 87 when passed ,grandad gave up smoking when 76 because he got bored of it and it gave no pleasure anymore ,and dad was 72 .All ate  what ever they fancied and i,m thinking modern chemical filled food is whats causing and killing people younger today .A lot of people have a "healthy" lifestyle and end up alive but existing with dementia or degenerative illnesses and maybe there is the rub .Are we programmed to live only to age X but through medical and dietry changes make ourselves live too long ?for our brains to cope 

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    Yes its a poser, do we eat  and drink what we like and take the risk or knuckle under and go with the flow.  I am 61 now 5ft 9 and 15st but my weight is largely due to my weight lifting that I have done for many years and still do.  I do like a drink which I am cutting back especially on the bottles of real ale I do enjoy, what I use to drink on Friday night is now spread over 5 days.  I do also like my dark chockie about a bar a week.

    My cholesterol is 5.2 which I had checked recently, my elder brother was on statins to reduce his but his legs drove him crazy with constant itching so he ditched those and now is happy as Larry.

    For the last 20yrs each morning before work and week ends my breakfast consists of ...2 pc of toasted Hovis 2 med free range soft boiled eggs, one piece of bacon and a tin of baked beans, but sometimes the bacon is replaced with wood pigeon breasts.  Many will think I am nuts but its good start to the day for me and I will carry on till the doc says different.  Like clakk and others have said its the **** our modern food is filled with to extend its shelf life...

    cheers

    MM

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    I grew up eating bacon and eggs and grilled cheese on toast. I wouldn’t touch veg and are very little fruit. The bacon and eggs were always without fail, accompanied by bread with a generous coat of butter. I  still eat at least six eggs a week and more cheese and butter than I can poke a stick at.

    I was at the docs last Thursday with a viral infection I didn’t even know I had, and she took my blood pressure and announced it very good. Eat what you want I say, as long as you get plenty of exercise. 

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    57 minutes ago, Scully said:

    I grew up eating bacon and eggs and grilled cheese on toast. I wouldn’t touch veg and are very little fruit. The bacon and eggs were always without fail, accompanied by bread with a generous coat of butter. I  still eat at least six eggs a week and more cheese and butter than I can poke a stick at.

    I was at the docs last Thursday with a viral infection I didn’t even know I had, and she took my blood pressure and announced it very good. Eat what you want I say, as long as you get plenty of exercise. 

    Yes as they say eat less move more .

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    Like climate change and Holes in ozone level it has probably always happened but with the increase in scientific methods allowing us to measure it to the n'th degree, the scientists see a way of making money if it changes and make a big thing of it for that reason.

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    I was invited in for a cholesterol test soon after my 65th birthday. The results were slightly alarming and it was recommended that I went on an anti cholesterol drug for the rest of my life.

    Three months later I had to give blood to ascertain how everything was coping with the introduction of the pills.

    Two days later I had a call from the surgery telling me that I had to go in as a matter of urgency. It turns out that the pills had done severe harm to my liver.

    The pills were stopped that day and I am dealing with the cholesterol problem as best I can.

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    A couple of years ago I stumbled on a report by one of the senior medical bodies where they compared life expectancy in 1860 and causes of death against today's statistics. Life expectancy in years of age was included from every cause except stillbirth and infant mortality.  What's interesting is that for those who didn't succumb to accidents, septicaemia and any of the childhood and adult infections such as TB that were incurable in 1860, life expectancy was as good or better than today. And even more interesting is that rates of heart disease and cancer were very low at about 10% of what they are today. We should be careful not to be too patronising by suggesting that doctors didn't know how to diagnose heart disease and cancer. Let's not forget that cancer was known in Tudor times and it's also known that Oliver Cromwell's wife died of stomach cancer.

    Back then people ate less overall and much of their diet was home grown. Fish was rare in most areas and meat was generally too expensive to eat more than once a week. Fruit was fairly abundant though and of course many people worked outdoors and kept their mobility into old age. Most people had things to do most of their waking hours every day except Sunday and there's no substitute for exercise.

    It seems that some here are already aware that statins generally do more harm than good and it's worth noting that the last 3 properly conducted studies into cholesterol have shown that taking statins has no measurable effect on lowering rates of heart disease. The only study that disagreed, monitored people who already had a pre-existing heart condition, so was loaded to please whoever was funding the study. (I'm not suggesting that it was funded by a drug company but it might have been 😉😉

    Much medical research these days is focussed on treatment and the search for cures but what we don't get told is that whilst  a higher percentage of women  are surviving breast cancer, more women are dying from it than 25 years ago.

     

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    10 hours ago, henry d said:

    Consumption, dysentery, violent death, malnutrition, sepsis, even infant mortality were all big killers back then.

    I gave up on statins after I tried three different types with no change in my levels (about 4-5 iirc) and I also suffered leg and joint pains, weird dreams and what appeared to be IBS, all of which ceased after a year or so off them.

    Chuck steroids into the mix and you're really in bother. Don't wish to appear ungrateful as after 8 weeks of agony the treatment with steroids of my sudden onset rheumatoid arthritis was nothing short of miraculous. Unfortunately, this time last year it would seem that I had a TIA - it left no sign and the diagnosis is based on what I told the doc' and specialist - and a resulting blood test showed a high-ish cholesterol level. I can deal with most of the effects, but the night cramps are something else. Doc has agreed that I can knock them on the head until I'm weaned off the steroids.

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    Father in law swims 3 times a week and when I say swims I mean 2-3 miles of hard graft in the pool. Eats a fantastically healthy diet , doesn't drink or have sugar in his tea. No butter. No fats. Never smoked. 

    His cholesterol and blood pressure  is through the roof and has been for years. The dr told him 90% is made by the body and no matter what he does it will require medication as all the diets and exercise in the world will make next to no difference. 

    My father has smoked since 14 (he's nearly 80 now and gave up 5 years ago) drinks like a fish. Eats what be likes and the only exercise he does is fetch his hearing aid (deaf from bisley) from the side or walk to the car. He's also a little overweight having had a stressful office job for a number of years working 18 hour days 6 days a week. 

    His blood pressure is perfect and his cholesterol is also perfect. He queried this and the dr replied is genetics and to enjoy it. 

    We weren't built to live much past 40 if at all, it's certainty that as we age these things crop up more than they used to as even 60 years ago  life expectancy was so much lower. 

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    I am on statins and blood pressure pills.  About 8 years ago I had a blood test (for gout as it happens) - and the result indicated I had recently had a heart attack (of which I was not aware).  To cut a fairly long story short, after a lot of tests, scans, treadmill activity, various ???grams etc.,  The cardiac consultant said;

    1. You should reduce your cholesterol to below 5 (it was about 6)
    2. You should reduce your blood pressure to below 140/80 (I think that was the figure and it was (quite a way) above that)
    3. You may have had a minor heart attack, but any damage is too slight to detect
    4. You have minor arterial 'clogging' but less build up than average for your age group and of no current concern
    5. Your cardiac condition/fitness as per treadmill tests is slightly above average for your age group
    6. You are at least a stone overweight

    So - I now take statins and blood pressure pills and have regular blood tests for liver, kidneys, glucose levels cholesterol etc. (all of which are happily doing OK)

    I was told by the consultant that I should make the following 'lifestyle' moves;

    • Eat a normal balanced diet, not to worry about what I ate, but to minimise additional salt/high salt foods and avoid extra sugar and high sugar foods and drinks.
    • Absolutely no smoking/nicotine at all
    • Alcohol in moderation, but never a large amount in a session
    • Caffeine in moderation
    • Exercise daily equivalent to at least half an hour brisk walk
    • Reduce weight by 1 to 1 1/2 stone to keep BMI nearer 20 than 25

    All of these were pretty much what I did anyway apart from the weight, though I had smoked, but given up.  He told me that for most people - changing diet has only a minor effect on cholesterol and blood pressure, much of which is 'in the genes' - and the only way to reduce weight is simply to 'eat less'.

     

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    Everything in moderation even excersise, as it is bad for you if done wrongly or you do too much especially as you age.

    Look at all the chemicals were now exposed to and ingest. It's going to do us no good that's for sure.

     

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