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Can't fault your honesty, it does happen but at least you know the next steps just make sure the stop whistle work's every time before Ted hunts any ground like that again. 

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With a confident bold dog, I prefer to maintain strict discipline. Never have a grey area, steadiness is as important as drive in a shooting environment. Given his age, and a lot of experiences for a young dog, he’s testing his boundaries to see what he can get away with. With a softer dog, I’m happy to go two steps forward one step back, buzz them up in a pen to build confidence, but I can’t say I deliberately let them chase, especially rabbits. If you decide you want to let him loose a bit, I recommend quail or pheasants. You shouldn’t worry about the drive right now, he’s still young it will develop as he gains game sense. Give him a refresher on recall, do some basics again to reinforce it.

And remember, you have to have bad days to have good days! 

 

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Part 12:

 

Since last disappearing we have thankfully had no more issues with that, so getting after him and telling him off seemed to have worked.

 

After a bit of stop refresher we have been back to that woodland a handful of times now. A few times lately I have left some tennis balls sat in a box with pheasant wings overnight, and then walked out myself throwing them (without walking over the spot myself) for Ted to hunt up. 

Up that woodland there is obviously some scent about as he goes full speed to begin and covers ground. However once he's on the balls he actually slows down...

Well Y'day I took him without the balls and just let him get on with it. He hunted faster and for longer without stopping to look at me, so I am going to really limit the use of balls and just let him get on with it. 

 

The only thing on this new hunting ground with no balls, is that he hunts much further out, as when I drop a ball close by he stays close, but with no finds he pulls ahead much more, something I will have to keep an eye on.

 

 

That aside I went to see a friend who trials to see how I was doing. First thing he said "your dog keeps moving". Sat up he keeps creeping forward or moving off the spot. We had done some sit and stay basics etc before but either forgotten or not bedded in enough. 

Please anyone reading this, learn from my mistakes BED IN THE BASICS!!!! 

WE are back to sit and stay, which at 11 months is much harder than before. Before when we did some sit and stay Ted would just do it. Well lately I have been sitting him up and walking out and he keeps bloody moving!! Creeping toward me, I have to keep going to him and taking him back to the exact spot.

 

Even worse today I went to put him back and he tried to run off a few steps cos he knew he was about to be told off! I don't want to be getting into that game of him ********* off cos he knows he's in trouble 😞 I was only taking his scruff and putting him back to where he moved from. 

 

I am hoping it's just his age and he is trying it on... We are very much back to basics at the moment. I am looking for some good obedience programmes or logs to follow to give us some brain training to keep him entertained. 

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Keep using the tennis balls, Ted ain't daft he knows fairly soon there's nothing for him close by that's why he hunts out further away, 

Sit him up next to you and just give him a little fuss then move a couple of steps but go back to him give him a bit of fuss. Repeat this about 10 million times gradually going further away. Try not to cut this bit of training short, it's a pain and boring, I still do it now 2 year's on with Stan just to remind him. 

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37 minutes ago, B725 said:

Keep using the tennis balls, Ted ain't daft he knows fairly soon there's nothing for him close by that's why he hunts out further away, 

Sit him up next to you and just give him a little fuss then move a couple of steps but go back to him give him a bit of fuss. Repeat this about 10 million times gradually going further away. Try not to cut this bit of training short, it's a pain and boring, I still do it now 2 year's on with Stan just to remind him. 

He hunts much better (faster and also hits into cover) when I don't use them mind mate 😣

 

Like the other day when he got to some long reedy grass he slowed right up, pranced about for ages and then slowly walked in scented the ball and picked it up...

 

Today I took him up there, no balls, was running about much quicker, the speed must help as when he got to the cover he just leaps onto it and then gets on with the job... If I could get him that keen for the balls I would use them more...

 

I know I can't stop the balls totally as I need to use a ball alley to keep his pattern and work on that a bit... 

 

 

And yes, back to basics, I must have put him back on the spot 5-6 times again today, even creeping forward just a step or two. Never tried it on like that when younger just stayed put... will be practising and practising to stay put until told :) 

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Lloyd, when you sit and stay him do you tend to call him to you afterwards or go back out to him and release the stay command then? 🤔

Also what are you doing with your whistle..., sounds daft but what you do with it often tells your dog what you might do in the next couple of seconds - you’ll know what I mean if you’re mindful of it next time 😊

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4 minutes ago, bigbird said:

Lloyd, when you sit and stay him do you tend to call him to you afterwards or go back out to him and release the stay command then? 🤔

Also what are you doing with your whistle..., sounds daft but what you do with it often tells your dog what you might do in the next couple of seconds - you’ll know what I mean if you’re mindful of it next time 😊

 

I mix it up, sometimes call him to heel, other times return to him. I think hes too used to being called off the spot at present such as when heading out in more casual settings, so after this I am returning to him almost every time before he is allowed to move (plus giving him lots of praise for staying put). 

 

What do you mean re the whistle? 

 

I have been doing "fakes" with him, so to stop him pre-empting me, such as lifting my hand, but instead of setting him off just scratching my head etc, so he doesn't start to jump ahead.

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We often unconsciously do things like spitting out the whistle then putting it back in our mouths to call them in rather than keeping it in our mouths all the time - little things like that can soon become the cues that the dog notice first, you see. Was just wondering if perhaps this was something that was contributing 👍

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