wymberley Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, motty said: No, you can more than likely pick up a decent 3" for less than £200. I don't really care what BASC have to say on the matter of steel shot. No doubt there are many out there for whom £200 is a few quid and particularly the youngsters who may well also not have the experience on which to base a decision and rely upon advice and guidance possibly from this forum. I for one would not feel comfortable in offering an opinion that it is perfectly safe to use HP steel shot in a non proven gun however slight the risk may be perceived and particularly when one has no control over the calibre of the individual taking that advice. We won't go near the chances of a novice putting a "standard" steel cartridge - which because of one particular aspect is actually HP - in a 2&3/4" chambered gun. It's worth noting that the bullet point mentioned has nothing to do with steel shot or BASC per se, but the possibility of being financially out of pocket should there be anything untoward occur.Again, I for one would not buy anything with bulges however slight at the muzzles when there are countless other offerings which are not so detrimentally affected in financial terms. The fact that for my purposes and in view of my age I have no intention of using any thing else than lead - unless something, however unlikely, changes before I decide to call it a day Is totally beside the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 To ban lead would be quite hard at first. Plenty would stockpile and still use on private shoots and farms. Then people would still make their own shot and load up carts. On the other hand steel carts would get a lot better. High bird affionados could use HW18 or TSS to shoot 120 yard pheasants with a 20 bore using size 8 or 9 shot. Bismuth shot prices would rise even more, older guns would become wall hangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, wymberley said: No doubt there are many out there for whom £200 is a few quid and particularly the youngsters who may well also not have the experience on which to base a decision and rely upon advice and guidance possibly from this forum. I for one would not feel comfortable in offering an opinion that it is perfectly safe to use HP steel shot in a non proven gun however slight the risk may be perceived and particularly when one has no control over the calibre of the individual taking that advice. We won't go near the chances of a novice putting a "standard" steel cartridge - which because of one particular aspect is actually HP - in a 2&3/4" chambered gun. It's worth noting that the bullet point mentioned has nothing to do with steel shot or BASC per se, but the possibility of being financially out of pocket should there be anything untoward occur.Again, I for one would not buy anything with bulges however slight at the muzzles when there are countless other offerings which are not so detrimentally affected in financial terms. The fact that for my purposes and in view of my age I have no intention of using any thing else than lead - unless something, however unlikely, changes before I decide to call it a day Is totally beside the point. That's the point I was making, to advocate using HP steel cartridges in a non HP proofed gun is irresponsible....we all know some non HP proofed guns may handle HP steel......but there are many guns out there that it would be very dangerous to fire HP steel cartridges through! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, figgy said: To ban lead would be quite hard at first. Plenty would stockpile and still use on private shoots and farms. Then people would still make their own shot and load up carts. On the other hand steel carts would get a lot better. High bird affionados could use HW18 or TSS to shoot 120 yard pheasants with a 20 bore using size 8 or 9 shot. Bismuth shot prices would rise even more, older guns would become wall hangers. "Older guns would become wall hangers" Well, if it's good enough for Turner and Constable , what's wrong with Purdey and Boss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 16 minutes ago, panoma1 said: That's the point I was making, to advocate using HP steel cartridges in a non HP proofed gun is irresponsible....we all know some non HP proofed guns may handle HP steel......but there are many guns out there that it would be very dangerous to fire HP steel cartridges through! Of course, it is down to the individual to decide what is safe for them. Steel proofing is just a test that most relatively modern guns would pass. I use three 10 bores, none of which are steel proofed. Am I taking a big risk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, motty said: Of course, it is down to the individual to decide what is safe for them. Steel proofing is just a test that most relatively modern guns would pass. I use three 10 bores, none of which are steel proofed. Am I taking a big risk? it is not so much the experienced taking the risk, it's the novice and inexperienced following such advice that are at risk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, panoma1 said: it is not so much the experienced taking the risk, it's the novice and inexperienced following such advice that are at risk! And to who we all bear a degree of responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabel25 Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 On 18/01/2019 at 20:40, figgy said: To ban lead would be quite hard at first. Plenty would stockpile and still use on private shoots and farms. Then people would still make their own shot and load up carts. On the other hand steel carts would get a lot better. High bird affionados could use HW18 or TSS to shoot 120 yard pheasants with a 20 bore using size 8 or 9 shot. Bismuth shot prices would rise even more, older guns would become wall hangers. Too true figgy I seem to remember a few years back where they got fox hunting bannned ? ( is it ) and that was meant to be the start of the finnish for all gaming sport But it's ok to go round with knives & machetes butchering other human life Do'nt see the anti's raising their issues with this disgracefull behaviour Just this week it has been anowsted that we now have to stop eating meat to save the planet Just more infidile minor upstarts that is trying to make a name for themselves in the political arena and cannot address the real issues in society And i bet they eat meat and game albeit wrapped up in a nice polythene wrapper bought at Tesco ( who do'nt use British sources ) Sorry for the rant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 On 16/01/2019 at 17:43, prem1234 said: Trust bloody Caroline Lucas to be behind the motion.... Then get all your pals in her constituency , regardless of their normal politics, to vote against her! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prem1234 Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 hour ago, pinfireman said: Then get all your pals in her constituency , regardless of their normal politics, to vote against her! We do....there's no one I know who votes for her she's a nightmare.....ruined the traffic flows and parking in the City for the 'Greener City' but it will be the final nail in the high street for shops closing down etc let alone things like banning lead.....Being in Brighton there's a load of tree hugging vegan types that vote for her. 😧 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) On 17/01/2019 at 08:09, Diss4111 said: Really? I don't recall there ever being a recomendation from the LAG to ban lead shot. I thought it was exactly the opposite. I think you'll find there was......and they did! Edited January 27, 2019 by panoma1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 This may be of some relevence to some of the preceding discussion. The next inspection and series of measurements with be carried out before the end of February with a garuanteed consumption of 250 various Eley steel cartridges. To date the gun shows no visual sign of any imparement and the test is scheduled to be ongoing for the next five years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 The gun in the vid is 3" chambered and proofed at 1370 bar? isn't that superior steel proof level? even for 3 1/2" cartridges! Magnum proof for 3" lead is 1200bar innit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diss4111 Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 16 hours ago, panoma1 said: I think you'll find there was......and they did! Did what? Lead shot hasn't been banned has it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 36 minutes ago, Diss4111 said: Did what? Lead shot hasn't been banned has it? What Panoma 1 said. If you read again what you posted earlier, you'll note that the operative word is, "recommendation" and that therefore P1 is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 Interesting video; I look forward to the findings, which given what date it is, shouldn't be too far off. I have used steel shot ( including HP steel ) through non steel shot proofed guns for years, the barrels are as clean and shiny as ever. It is worth mentioning that even a gun barrel proofed for steel will be damaged if that shot comes into contact with it before the cup leaves the muzzle; the video research is more concerned with pressure and it's effects on those barrels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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