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DISAPPOINTMENT,new 12g hushpower moderator problems

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With older Berettas it is possible to change the spring in the gas parts so to allow less or more gas to operate the action depending on the loads your firing. I don't know of this is possible with your model but a quick Google or telephone call and you'll soon find out. 

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there are many ways around this. that is listed. probably my subs wont, my subs are low gas volume shells and the pressure (aka gas pulse -whatever you want to call it) is so short, it runs out of puff before it can even get to the gas ports to cycle.
you dont happen to have any loading gear do you? i doubt my ba10 would do it as its even less puff than the 32g.

i`m sorry you are having this issue, but there are options, its not quite a lemon yet.

-use normal shells. (hardly original)

-use a soft return spring in stock. - this reduces the versatility of gun,

-find the magic subs that work.not all subs are quiet.

-reload lots of different subs (not ideal)

i`ll re- read this thread, and come back.

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it may be also that the 2.5" hulls are causing ejection problems.

so you could try some home made subs, with more oompf. those 28g subs havent got enough puff in them, not to mention the advice here that is always go up in shotsize. 

i`d go up in 2, so i`d shoot 4s, forget messing with chokes, subs get good patterns out of any choke. (if your mod is threadded for chokes ).

load up your own 32g subs.

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I think it is very telling that Saddlery & Gunroom tend to sell pumps with the mods....

Subs will I suspect have less gas volume and gas velocity than your standard shells so won't overcome the springs.

(When springs in a semi-auto are selected, they balance out being light enough to cycle but not so light the bolt doesn’t travel so fast it beats the receiver up).

So I suspect change springs or change carts…

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Many thanks for all the good advice, I am returning the Eley sub's today, and will push forward with some 28 gm 6's in fibre wad, standard load, the general opinion seems to be no sub's in semi autos, 

As my main concern is reducing noise level while still dropping pigeons hopefully this will be the best route to follow , If noise is still a problem I will have to think again, fingers crossed the locals would appreciate my efforts ,:good:

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The quietest shot gun is obviously a moderated .410 with barrel porting under the mod  .shooting light loads or sub sonics. Layvale magnasonic being very quiet .

Problem is the range of this combo is serverly limited to around 20 yds and practically useless on tough crows .But sacrificing a little noise reduction you can get a moderated .410 with no barrel porting shooting a standard cart. With a bit of umph .

My personal fave is a folding yildiz  with 1/2 choke and screw on mod and 19 grm no6  .out to 30 yds and a bit more its very effective on pige and crows. 

And the noise given off is still very quiet .and will always be more effective than a 12 or even a 20 b .

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Im talking about factory loads and the usual cart loads for each cal ..410  9 - 19 grm .

20 b. 19 -34 grm 

12b.  21 - 50 grm  ish .

Doesnt take a genius  to realise that an average 16 grm .410 is gonna be quieter than an average  32 grm 12b. 

Your being pedantic. Stop it. 

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7 hours ago, Ultrastu said:

Im talking about factory loads and the usual cart loads for each cal ..410  9 - 19 grm .

20 b. 19 -34 grm 

12b.  21 - 50 grm  ish .

Doesnt take a genius  to realise that an average 16 grm .410 is gonna be quieter than an average  32 grm 12b. 

Your being pedantic. Stop it. 

The gas volume, is important comparative to bore size and moderator size. Personally 12gauge is the only gauge worth putting a moderator on. 20gauge comes a close second.

The op here wanted to use 28g of subsonic 7.5. Thats hardly the best game combination, with 1/3rd less power than a normal shell. And a light shotsize? There just is no logic.

 

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28g 7.5 factory work for me (cycle in all autos I have that take the choke adapter to use the hushpower can)

After testing I wouldn't use them beyond 25 yards on live quarry.

Sub loads need a heavier shot than 7.5 to retain energy for a clean kill.

I believe it was your good self cookoff013 and neutron put me on the right track re;shot size for a decent sub load.

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10 hours ago, gotgcoalman said:

28g 7.5 factory work for me (cycle in all autos I have that take the choke adapter to use the hushpower can)

After testing I wouldn't use them beyond 25 yards on live quarry.

Sub loads need a heavier shot than 7.5 to retain energy for a clean kill.

I believe it was your good self cookoff013 and neutron put me on the right track re;shot size for a decent sub load.

yeah, we did get you on the right track.

i patterned a few shells, reloaded lots had them pressure tested, then had a few examples loaded by someone else (another guy), then tested independently and tested in the real world scenarios. we did the subs thing to help out  people "like" your good self.

so my experience, isnt just buying poor factory shells.

if i recollect the gentleman in question, decided to load 12/70 28gram lead #3, for shooting rabbits, his preferred shell. 

 

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I am breaking in my new Hushpower moderator which mounts on an extended 1/2 choke, its a bit like shooting with a bean can strapped on the end of the barrel,

All the early problems with trying to use sub sonic cartridges are now a dim and distant memory, giving up on subs as they would not cycle through my semi, I reverted to some 28 gm 6's in fibre wad, they appear to do the job very well and I can now shoot without ear plugs which is another plus'

Shooting through the 1/2 choke rather than my normal 1/4 choke meant higher birds were possible but close up ones took some hitting,  I only managed 50% hit rate with 18 cartridges for 9 birds , a lot lower than my normal percentage but It was a good lesson for me getting used to the moderator on some difficult birds.

All the early problems with trying to use sub sonic cartridges are now a dim and distant memory, giving up on subs as they would not cycle through my semi, I reverted to some 28 gm 6's in fibre wad, they appear to do the job very well and I can now shoot without ear plugs which is another plus'

 

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had two pigeons today with 20 bore Mossberg hushpower pump full choke , 30g 5's gamebore subs 35 yards plus , so you should be o k with yours , lakeside once you get use to it, just fit a comb raiser on to lift the can if you think you are shooting low .good luck

31 minutes ago, lakeside1000 said:

I am breaking in my new Hushpower moderator which mounts on an extended 1/2 choke, its a bit like shooting with a bean can strapped on the end of the barrel,

All the early problems with trying to use sub sonic cartridges are now a dim and distant memory, giving up on subs as they would not cycle through my semi, I reverted to some 28 gm 6's in fibre wad, they appear to do the job very well and I can now shoot without ear plugs which is another plus'

Shooting through the 1/2 choke rather than my normal 1/4 choke meant higher birds were possible but close up ones took some hitting,  I only managed 50% hit rate with 18 cartridges for 9 birds , a lot lower than my normal percentage but It was a good lesson for me getting used to the moderator on some difficult birds.

All the early problems with trying to use sub sonic cartridges are now a dim and distant memory, giving up on subs as they would not cycle through my semi, I reverted to some 28 gm 6's in fibre wad, they appear to do the job very well and I can now shoot without ear plugs which is another plus'

 

 

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My natural tendency is to shoot high, I think I get lazy with the mount, the stock hits my shoulder before I have it high enough and I start shooting with the barrel higher than the back end of the rib, I soon realise my error and correct it but I keep falling back into the bad habit, now the hushpower is hanging on the end I am having to think a lot more about what I am doing so for the moment I feel positive about my efforts, looking forward to some more practice over the next few days before the roost shooting starts , :good:

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The way i look at it .is .

If you can shoot well (hunting)

With a hushpower. And you enjoy it .

Why would you go back to an unmoderated gun ? 

They are quieter (on the ear and to the public ) and they recoil less .

Whats not to like ? 

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I had an idea ages ago, but dont really have a way of implementing it.

Get a high rib or something like to tape to the original to change the poi.

As for the format, id have to pattern for poi/poa then change it by changing the angle of the rib. The gun would look funny. But would function. Like the previous threads about using a mod on a o/u but underbarrel only. 

Coo

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11 hours ago, Ultrastu said:

The way i look at it .is .

If you can shoot well (hunting)

With a hushpower. And you enjoy it .

Why would you go back to an unmoderated gun ? 

They are quieter (on the ear and to the public ) and they recoil less .

Whats not to like ? 

The reason why you would have an unmoderated gun is weight and handing. I love hushers but they are unwieldy lumps at the best of times unless it's a single barrel. Got a nice little single 20 for the odd walk out where every shot is a snap shot.

1 hour ago, cookoff013 said:

I had an idea ages ago, but dont really have a way of implementing it.

Get a high rib or something like to tape to the original to change the poi.

As for the format, id have to pattern for poi/poa then change it by changing the angle of the rib. The gun would look funny. But would function. Like the previous threads about using a mod on a o/u but underbarrel only. 

Coo

I've just fitted an adjustable bead at the breech end with nothing at the muzzle. Tips the barrel upward when sighting thru and puts the shot on the bird.

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On 22/01/2019 at 17:03, bornfree said:

Is it possible to get 32g subsonics? They may have bit higher pressure.

Yes these are subsonic and cycling perfectly in my Hatsan Escort

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On 21/01/2019 at 17:07, lakeside1000 said:

Hi all, just invested 210 pounds in a new Hushpower 12g sound moderator for my Beretta Urika 2, after much research on Utube and elsewhere I thought this would be the answer for me, some good shooting permission but very close to houses and chicken sheds, so noise was the problem.

The Saddle and Gun Room (Hushpower ) supplied the extended choke and fitted the moderator ready to just screw in and get shooting, advise was to use sub-sonic cartridges to get quietest noise levels, so I also purchased a slab of Eley sub's in fibre wad 28 gm 7-1/2,

Today I set up on the field and got ready for some good sport, but it was not to be, first shot the cartridge case jammed in the breech, after digging it out I checked the gun for free movement and cleanliness, no problems there, so reloaded and tried again, next shot same result, bolt was pulling the case back about 3/4 of its length and stopping, A sharp pull on the bolt and out it came sliding in the next cartridge, 3rd shot was just the same result, 

My conclusion is that the load power is way too low to activate the mechanism correctly, a simple test with a normal clear pigeon confirmed the cycling was working normally, so now I have a very costly sound moderator designed for use with sub sonic's but a gun that is unable to cycle these cartridges, future tests will be made with some other cartridges to try to find one that will cycle but give me some noise reduction, any suggestions will be welcomed, meanwhile the pigeons go on clearing the rape undisturbed, ****** ****** ** *******!!!!!!

These are the answer ! They cycle in my Hatsan Escort with saddlery and gun room moderator attached 

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