mgsontour Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 Hi all, could someone please help. . . . . I'm looking for a second hand U/O 12bore shotgun which is a nice all rounder for game/pigeons etc but I do get the chance to shoot a few ducks so need it proofed for steel cartridges as sick of having to buy bismuth @ £30 for 25, price tag about £1k? Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 Guntrader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 hello, most modern O/Us and semi auto are suitable for steel shot cartridges, ps welcome to PW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgsontour Posted January 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 Thanks all, but how do I search guntrader for steel rated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeper96 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 You'll have to find a gun that you like and then google it to check, as a general rule anything with a 3" chamber will be steel shot proofed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgsontour Posted January 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, keeper96 said: You'll have to find a gun that you like and then google it to check, as a general rule anything with a 3" chamber will be steel shot proofed. Nice one, Google is amazing if you know what your looking for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 We can sit here all day telling you that 1 gun is better than another, but that is usually the gun that suits US and NOT you. There is only one person that can realistically choose a gun for you and that is YOU. Perhaps you should be taking a couple of rides out. One to Kelbrook Lodge and the other to Malmo Guns, where it is possible to try the gun that suits you. Although less of a choice, Coniston Hall on the A65 also has the try before you buy facility. I would not consider buying any gun just on the recommendation of others, I would want to try it for myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 You don’t need a gun to have proof marks for shooting steel shot YES Sorry if your using high velocity steel but most guns will take standard steel loads as long as the chokes aren’t to tight I use a 40 year old Aya for ducks 1/4 1/2 chokes no problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 On 29 January 2019 at 19:54, Gerry78 said: You don’t need a gun to have proof marks for shooting steel shot YES Sorry if your using high velocity steel but most guns will take standard steel loads as long as the chokes aren’t to tight I use a 40 year old Aya for ducks 1/4 1/2 chokes no problem What carts you use for that? On 29 January 2019 at 18:46, mgsontour said: Hi all, could someone please help. . . . . I'm looking for a second hand U/O 12bore shotgun which is a nice all rounder for game/pigeons etc but I do get the chance to shoot a few ducks so need it proofed for steel cartridges as sick of having to buy bismuth @ £30 for 25, price tag about £1k? Thanks in advance What gun do you shoot now? Many of the ‘big names’ will manage this for £1k. - Beretta silver pigeon (an older one will manage steel but if you try for a newer model it’ll have 3” chambers and be fine. - Browning 525 - again make sure it has the 3” chamber. - Miroku MK70 - make sure proofed. All three of those are brilliant O/U’s for that price, could pick up a nice second hand one for around a grand. Try and go somewhere you can shoot them first and see what fits. I shot well with both the SP and MK70 but shot terrible with the 525 - bought a SP after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgsontour Posted January 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 All interesting and is clearing up the issue for me ( thanks all ) but not 100% yet. . . I shoot a Mundial, which is about 40 years old and is the spitting image of an AYA yeoman The carts I use for the ducks is Eley Bismuth No 4/5's which do the job close range but are really expensive and no good for the longer shots I've seen others use steel with a Beretta Silver pigeon, Browning 525 and 425 but didn't notice if they were high velocity ones or standard In summary am I correct in saying 99% of guns with a 3" chamber will take standard steel but only some of those will take HV? Thanks to you all for your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, mgsontour said: All interesting and is clearing up the issue for me ( thanks all ) but not 100% yet. . . I shoot a Mundial, which is about 40 years old and is the spitting image of an AYA yeoman The carts I use for the ducks is Eley Bismuth No 4/5's which do the job close range but are really expensive and no good for the longer shots I've seen others use steel with a Beretta Silver pigeon, Browning 525 and 425 but didn't notice if they were high velocity ones or standard In summary am I correct in saying 99% of guns with a 3" chamber will take standard steel but only some of those will take HV? Thanks to you all for your help You can use steel ( HV or otherwise ) in any nitro proofed gun you care to use it through, as many folk do. It can and is done, but despite this the general consensus is that you shouldn't, so If in doubt stick to nothing tighter than half and use standard steel. If you don't want to do this your options are to either use another form of non toxic ( like you have been doing ) or buy a steel shot proofed gun, or as others have suggested, one with 3" chambers, and if you want to cover all the corners, ideally one with 3" chambers and proofed for steel. This will take care of pressure, but nothing will prevent even your steel shot proofed gun barrels being ruined if the cup fails to do its part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeper96 Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 Just now, mgsontour said: All interesting and is clearing up the issue for me ( thanks all ) but not 100% yet. . . I shoot a Mundial, which is about 40 years old and is the spitting image of an AYA yeoman The carts I use for the ducks is Eley Bismuth No 4/5's which do the job close range but are really expensive and no good for the longer shots I've seen others use steel with a Beretta Silver pigeon, Browning 525 and 425 but didn't notice if they were high velocity ones or standard In summary am I correct in saying 99% of guns with a 3" chamber will take standard steel but only some of those will take HV? Thanks to you all for your help If it has steel proof it will take any steel load, HV or standard of the correct chamber length but it is recommended to stick to 1/2 choke or less. If a gun is not steel proofed then it *should* be okay with standard, lightweight steel loads through less than 1/2 choke but that choice is yours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 Pop down the local gun shop, tell them you want a 3 inch steel proofed gun for under a grand. Let them fetch you various guns to have a look at. Say things like "oh that's nice" and "um" and "ah". Decide which one fits best. Buy it. If your lucky you'll get a coffee whilst your there. Dont tell the wife. As others have said you'll be spoilt for choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 Lloyd I use gamebore 2 3/4 inch steel through aya no3 magnum no issues or problems inside the barrels My gun certainly not proofed for steel but works fine 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpredder Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 Choke tubes and shotgun barrels are sometimes made from stainless steel, but I have never heard of stainless steel shot. Stainless steels tend to be rather hard. I believe the "steel shot" used in shotgun cartridges is actually soft iron (even softer than general purpose mild steel), and nothing like as hard as any of the common grades of stainless steel. Not to be confused with the "steel shot" materials used in shot-blasting, some of which are indeed quite hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 22 hours ago, mgsontour said: Thanks all, but how do I search guntrader for Stainless steel rated? Is there such a thing? I've heard of Superior Steel Proof" but not "Stainless Steel Rated"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 53 minutes ago, McSpredder said: Choke tubes and shotgun barrels are sometimes made from stainless steel, but I have never heard of stainless steel shot. Stainless steels tend to be rather hard. I believe the "steel shot" used in shotgun cartridges is actually soft iron (even softer than general purpose mild steel), and nothing like as hard as any of the common grades of stainless steel. Not to be confused with the "steel shot" materials used in shot-blasting, some of which are indeed quite hard. Rockwell R15T 66 with no pellet more than 69. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 https://basc.org.uk/wp-content/plugins/download-monitor/download.php?id=723 This might help, but read it carefully. Many don`t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 42 minutes ago, mudpatten said: https://basc.org.uk/wp-content/plugins/download-monitor/download.php?id=723 This might help, but read it carefully. Many don`t. It's a shame really as the original information sheet was far more comprehensive and such that it would have been difficult to make a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgsontour Posted January 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 7 hours ago, GingerCat said: Pop down the local gun shop, tell them you want a 3 inch steel proofed gun for under a grand. Let them fetch you various guns to have a look at. Say things like "oh that's nice" and "um" and "ah". Decide which one fits best. Buy it. If your lucky you'll get a coffee whilst your there. Dont tell the wife. As others have said you'll be spoilt for choice. Like your style and great hearing from everyone else with their views, it's obviously a hot topic and as clear as mud but have 2 local gun dealers so will go and pester them and certainly won't tell the wife!! Cheers lads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, mgsontour said: Like your style and great hearing from everyone else with their views, it's obviously a hot topic and as clear as mud but have 2 local gun dealers so will go and pester them and certainly won't tell the wife!! Cheers lads Excellent idea ! Who knows you may see the light before 30th August ! 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgsontour Posted January 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, Westley said: Excellent idea ! Who knows you may see the light before 30th August ! 😉 Hopefully; it's the ducks I want to see in line with my barrels not the light but again thanks for your support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 I was under the impression that it’s fine to use a tight choke (over half) as long as the gun is proofed for it? My rem 11-87 is 3” chamber and I got a full choke - the choke says “lead / steel proof” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 On 29/01/2019 at 19:27, keeper96 said: You'll have to find a gun that you like and then google it to check, as a general rule anything with a 3" chamber will be steel shot proofed. That is incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 On 30/01/2019 at 10:41, keeper96 said: If it has steel proof it will take any steel load, HV or standard of the correct chamber length but it is recommended to stick to 1/2 choke or less. If a gun is not steel proofed then it *should* be okay with standard, lightweight steel loads through less than 1/2 choke but that choice is yours As I have written countless times over these pages, the 1/2 choke "thing" is not correct. You can use far tighter without issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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