EMT Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 I am hoping the PW massive might be able to help me out here. I have a lovely AYA No.2 which is choked cylinder and 1/4. Can anyone recommend a game cartridge that they have patterned in the past that threw a particularly tight pattern. Fibre only please. Its got 70mm chambers which is a bonus. I appreciate that it will pattern differently in my gun and the only way to find out is to pattern it myself, but I am looking to try and narrow down the field to maybe half a dozen. Otherwise it is going to cost a small fortune to go and by a box of every combination of make and load of cartridge on the market. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 Within the constraints that you've already mentioned, two stand out - I did this a little while back for a Chapuis and a Webley and Scott. The Hull High Pheasant is one and the other by a country mile is the Gamebore Super Game High Bird. If you're also looking at decoying pigeon and would use 7 shot then the Gamebore fibre Blue Diamond clay cartridge is on a par with the High Bird - Diamond Shot is one size up from marked so 7&1/2 are 7s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMT Posted February 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 Just now, wymberley said: Within the constraints that you've already mentioned, two stand out - I did this a little while back for a Chapuis and a Webley and Scott. The Hull High Pheasant is one and the other by a country mile is the Gamebore Super Game High Bird. If you're also looking at decoying pigeon and would use 7 shot then the Gamebore fibre Blue Diamond clay cartridge is on a par with the High Bird - Diamond Shot is one size up from marked so 7&1/2 are 7s. Thats great, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 Only way is to try some yourself as your gun and choking will affect the pattern. I have found its the slower traditional game carts kill further with more pellets in the quarry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fen tiger Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 Did a lot of patterning this january with a Fabarm semi auto my son has, he only had cylinder choke and wanted to get a load for long range crows he was shooting at the time, we tried several brands and in that gun the RCsipe 30gram 6s were the tightest second tightest was winchester super speed . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 Personally I don't think the pheasant/pigeon will notice the difference if it is in the middle of the pattern. Every gun is going to be that little bit different anyway. We do get a bit anal about chokes. Of factory cartridges that I use then Hull High Pheasant perform well as do Fiocchi in my 410 but neither come close to my own loads ...but that is my opinion Afraid your going to do as we all have done in the past buy a selection and go and pattern them. Then put the bird in that pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fen tiger Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, Walker570 said: but neither come close to my own loads ...but that is my opinion Afraid your going to do as we all have done in the past buy a selection and go and pattern them. Then put the bird in that pattern. Agree you can not beat reloads wads cut like flight control wads give very tight patterns and you can get patterns reliable with such wads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Fen tiger said: Agree you can not beat reloads wads cut like flight control wads give very tight patterns and you can get patterns reliable with such wads. I use felt wads and have regulated my load, checking patterns each slight change until I arrived at the one I use now. My problem is that the word is that Vectan SP3 is going to be difficult to get after 29th March if the EU decide to be awkward. I will be stocking up as soon as I can find some so should be OK for another couple of seasons. Edited February 16, 2019 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 17 hours ago, EMT said: I am hoping the PW massive might be able to help me out here. I have a lovely AYA No.2 which is choked cylinder and 1/4. Can anyone recommend a game cartridge that they have patterned in the past that threw a particularly tight pattern. Fibre only please. Its got 70mm chambers which is a bonus. I appreciate that it will pattern differently in my gun and the only way to find out is to pattern it myself, but I am looking to try and narrow down the field to maybe half a dozen. Otherwise it is going to cost a small fortune to go and by a box of every combination of make and load of cartridge on the market. Thanks in advance. Can you list what you can purchase locally so that we have a list to work from, no point in telling you about a shell you cannot get hold of! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastair0903 Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 I would take a chance on RC sipe extreme, they have hardened shot and seem to patter well for me 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, alastair0903 said: I would take a chance on RC sipe extreme, they have hardened shot and seem to patter well for me 👍 May be a tad lively in OP`s gun though. Going from suggestions,Hull HP will be the most comfortable to shoot in the AYA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 Super high bird, cheapest most reliable cartridge I can get and even through my sxs they don't seem to batter me about. I had a great weekend last year shooting crows and magpies with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 2 hours ago, alastair0903 said: I would take a chance on RC sipe extreme, they have hardened shot and seem to patter well for me 👍 The twenty bore kicks like a mule with these up the spout. They shoot well, very well, but my shoulder is now undergoing damage control treatment... (Silver pigeon gun). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 hello, what do you class as a game cartridge ? 65/70mm 28/29/30g 5/6 shot, your no 2 is a light weight game gun, forget about 70mm chambers, fixed chokes, cylinder and 1/4 which is quite open for a no 2,, what ever cartridge you put in say 6 shot will have a nominal pattern for those chokes and i do not think it would vary much with different makes, a 5 will get a tighter pattern but some might say not ideal for game, a heavier cartridge will have recoil, years ago we use to pattern a no 6 with improved cylinder to 30 yard and 30inch circle, your cylinder and 1/4 is therefore a 25 yard and 35 yard range, 5 shot would go out to 40 yard at 1/4 choke, you could try a few makes and see if any difference, my friend uses impacts 6s in his AYA no 2 with improved/half and i have seen him take pheasant at 40 yards, try google on shotgun patterns to various chokes/shot should give you some idea, good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 Years and years ago it was considered that No 5s did not pattern well in a 12 bore for some reason. If that cylinder choke is indeed such and does not have a few points in it, I would wager that it'll pattern more towards 35% than the nominal cylinder 40%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 (edited) Do you all remember when Grandprix and Impax killed 99% of the game birds in this country ? I think you can still buy Impax and if you can give them a try, they will do the job in spades if you do. Impax 7s where considered the dogs doo dars. Edited February 17, 2019 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 hello, just cartridge have a stock of these romag fibre/ 6s/ 28g worth a try and cheaper than impax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMT Posted February 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 Thank you for all your help and advice. When I had them measured there was .002 in the right and .010 in the left so just over cylinder and 1/4. I would normally shoot 1/2 and 1/2 in my O/U and was a bit worried I might have a few gaps in the pattern with the cylinder barrel past 25 yards. I will get a few boxes of the cartridges you have all recommended and give them a go. I will try and take some photos and report back with my findings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 Good luck .... some sensible suggestions on here. The slower route with Supergame should be a great starting point with lots of pellets in 32g 6 .... plus not too thumpy, and not silly money. Higher quality harder shot is another route. I think you’ll get on a lot better than you think, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 would i be right in thinking that a slower cartridge would thow a tighter pattern..........? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 There’ll be exceptions, but on the whole with similar components .... then yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotgcoalman Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 24 minutes ago, ditchman said: would i be right in thinking that a slower cartridge would thow a tighter pattern..........? My home load subsonics dump 90%+ of the shot in a 30" circle @ 40 yards. (cheers to cookoff and neutron 😎) factory super sonic are quite a bit worse (some are alot worse) 12 minutes ago, Smokersmith said: There’ll be exceptions, but on the whole with similar components .... then yes. I haven't tried all the available carts so there may be some exceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, gotgcoalman said: My home load subsonics dump 90%+ of the shot in a 30" circle @ 40 yards. (cheers to cookoff and neutron 😎) factory super sonic are quite a bit worse (some are alot worse) I haven't tried all the available carts so there may be some exceptions. that was my patterning experience too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 59 minutes ago, Smokersmith said: There’ll be exceptions, but on the whole with similar components .... then yes. 33 minutes ago, gotgcoalman said: My home load subsonics dump 90%+ of the shot in a 30" circle @ 40 yards. factory super sonic are quite a bit worse (some are alot worse) In the words of the song, "you can't have one without the other". Yep, the pattern is critical but it is still no good without penetration. The biggest factor for penetration is velocity so, as ever, there is a compomise needed - sufficient of both pattern and velocity - too much bias towards either does not work well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPP Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Assuming 12 bore, I’d suggest dark storm 30g no6, it’s what I use in my aya which is ¼ and ½ or near as damn it and it always does the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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