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15 hours ago, panoma1 said:

In my opinion, upholding an individuals human rights should only be applicable to persons who have had their human rights breached by another, and should not apply to those criminals who have knowingly and deliberately breached another's human rights!......If we carry on pussy footing around with this sort of PC madness, society will never get a grip on lawlessness!  

I surmise that the systems we have in place in this country are all about ticking the right boxes and looking humane rather than being concerned with the end result being effective? 

On 12/03/2019 at 12:22, Newbie to this said:

Whatever the answer is, I hope they find it soon at get implementing it. This needs stopping sooner rather than later.

I would like to see harsher sentences for illegal carrying and full life sentences for using.

It's not the carry but the use? To continue down that route will lead to us not being able to possess a screwdriver in our own homes, brilliant solution?

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1 hour ago, Newbie to this said:

Did you miss the Illegal bit?

Yep, apologies.😫

Long frustrating day yesterday, nothing came out to play crow wise but the 2 greys regretted it.

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23 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Heres one 😱

 

Svenson Ong-a-kwie, 18, of Romford, was arrested nine days after the death

Heres one of them Svenson Ong-a-kwie (left), 18, was charged with the murder of Jodie Chesney 

Mr Petrovic , a Croatian national Manuel Petrovic, 20, has also been charged with the murder of the 17-year-old girl

The other boy , who at 16 has his identity kept secret due to his age, I have on good authority is black.

Next ?

He is indeed black, I now know his name, his address and that he went to the same school my kids go to (which is also the same school my father and I went to) and which is sadly also the same school that Michael Adebolajo attended.

Just drove past his house on my way back from my mothers, there were four coppers in the navy "search" kit and several police wagons at the top of the hill - they are searching the park there.

There is no social or economic reason for this youth to take the path in life he has chosen, this is a reasonably affluent area.

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4 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

There is social or economic reason for this youth to take the path in life he has chosen, this is a reasonably affluent area.

Now theres a conundrum then ?
No poverty ? tory austerity ? Youth club still open ?

Im sure the parents will take great comfort in knowing theres a 'reason' for him being involved in their daughters utterly senseless murder.

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Just now, Rewulf said:

Now theres a conundrum then ?
No poverty ? tory austerity ? Youth club still open ?

Im sure the parents will take great comfort in knowing theres a 'reason' for him being involved in their daughters utterly senseless murder.

Typo, I'd missed out "no". Frankly I'm surprised the error in my original post was not spotted by you, but anyway...

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9 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Typo, I'd missed out "no". Frankly I'm surprised the error in my original post was not spotted by you, but anyway...

That completely changes your answer then 😆

Fair enough, if there is no social or economic reason, what do we have left ?

I dont want to sound off on an ongoing investigation, but there are strong whisperings of gang initiation.
The 16 and 18 year olds told to go out and stab someone by Mr Petrovic.

It doesnt matter, a senseless murder all the same.

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2 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

That completely changes your answer then 😆

Fair enough, if there is no social or economic reason, what do we have left ?

I dont want to sound off on an ongoing investigation, but there are strong whisperings of gang initiation.
The 16 and 18 year olds told to go out and stab someone by Mr Petrovic.

It doesnt matter, a senseless murder all the same.

Agreed on all points, and yes, it doesn't leave a lot left.

I'm sure you can imagine how thrilled I am at the prospect of my 15 y/o son attending a house party in the area tonight 😞

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25 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Agreed on all points, and yes, it doesn't leave a lot left.

I'm sure you can imagine how thrilled I am at the prospect of my 15 y/o son attending a house party in the area tonight 😞

My 16 year daughter was at a house party last year where someone was stabbed to death, she told me 2 days later when the police came round to interview her, she saw nothing but knew the lad who killed the victim, 18 years old, good family, very quiet and unassuming person 'The last person you would think would do something like this'
No gangs , no poverty, apparently self defence ? Hes on remand for murder.

 

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Similar thing around here last year too. Self defence doesn't make sense to me in this context? 

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Something that made me think they banned hand guns some years ago to stop this sort of thing from going on in many ways I think this was a bad idea ok it is not good that people was shooting one another but it was and is so much harder to get your hands on a hand gun but it is really simple to get hold a knife so any plonker can get there hands on one something that was never going to happen with guns just a thought.

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6 hours ago, four-wheel-drive said:

Something that made me think they banned hand guns some years ago to stop this sort of thing from going on in many ways I think this was a bad idea ok it is not good that people was shooting one another but it was and is so much harder to get your hands on a hand gun but it is really simple to get hold a knife so any plonker can get there hands on one something that was never going to happen with guns just a thought.

Personally I think it’s a numbers game. A solitary stabbing or shooting hardly even makes national headlines anymore, and cynically seems to be acceptable, or at an acceptable level. Once those numbers rise to what is deemed an unacceptable level, such as a mass shooting or an almost daily occurrence leading to a dramatic rise level, then the media and politicians start to take notice as there is a public outcry. They then ‘do something’, which has absolutely no effect other than having a detrimental effect on the  law abiding, or usually say they are doing ‘something’, and then hope the problem goes away so they don't in fact have to, cos let’s face it, they don’t have a clue. 

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So the third kid charged had been excluded from school (he is a year 11 student). Interesting viewpoint expressed by Akala today - it's available online to watch.

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20 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

So the third kid charged had been excluded from school (he is a year 11 student). Interesting viewpoint expressed by Akala today - it's available online to watch.

This one?

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20 hours ago, Scully said:

Personally I think it’s a numbers game. A solitary stabbing or shooting hardly even makes national headlines anymore, and cynically seems to be acceptable, or at an acceptable level. Once those numbers rise to what is deemed an unacceptable level, such as a mass shooting or an almost daily occurrence leading to a dramatic rise level, then the media and politicians start to take notice as there is a public outcry. They then ‘do something’, which has absolutely no effect other than having a detrimental effect on the  law abiding, or usually say they are doing ‘something’, and then hope the problem goes away so they don't in fact have to, cos let’s face it, they don’t have a clue. 

Spot on. Same with the tragedy in NZ. Almost the first thing said was we will introduce firearms control. The numbers trigger the reaction we must do something. The problems are deep routed and some are probably part of life but we must see a reaction to our horror. Then as Scully says the ones effected are the law abiding and the problem is left just the same. 

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4 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Yes, that's the one. Hope they get him on the TV some more, would like to see him on QT for example.

'The British artist, whose real name is Kingslee James McLean Daley, said that the media's tendency to call knife crime "a black problem" is dangerous.'

Ahem , which media outlets are actually saying this ?
Can anyone quote one where they have said these words, or do we just 'understand' it to be the case ?
Why is it dangerous if its true ?
Ive called it a cultural problem, because it is, that doesnt mean its exclusive to POC.

'The perpetrators and victims appear to be almost exclusively young black men.' - Piers Morgan.

Is this statement untrue ?

'There is one limited sense in which race may be important.

You could argue that only a very particular demographic of young black boys, only at a very particular stage in their lives, feel a degree of psychological self-hatred or contempt for themselves that they project on to other people.'-Akala

So does that mean race or culture has nothing to do with it ? Or is he in fact agreeing with Morgan ?

Music of black origin, rap culture (of which Akala is part of ) grime, drill , even hip hop , promotes gang culture, drug dealing and use, with all the associated violence thereof, with a healthy dose of misogyny, all  promoted as 'a way of life' when it is in fact a construct of the music industry and media.
The BBC has a strange fascination with the harder parts of this music scene, giving it masses of airtime and promoting it as trendy, even as their featured artists are locked up for violent crimes, surprising ..

N**** listen
When I spit on the riddem, I kill em
Raw like the Ball of Brazilians
You don't want war, cor, the kids brilliant
Blood, I'm the heir to the throne, not William
Akala, smart as King Arthur, darker, harder, faster
Raasclaat, I kick the Illa s***
It's like Shakespeare, with a n**** twist
Lyricist, I'm the best on the road
Nitro flow, oh-so-cold, I'mma blow yo

Keep the hoes, I only want dough homes
Nobody close, I'm alone in my own zone
No no love for the po-po (police)
Loco when I rock mics solo
I hope that you know, where you dun go though?
Want it with Bolo? Must be coco
It's William back from the dead, but I rap bout gats (guns) and I'm black instead
It's Shakespeare, reincarnated, except I spit flows and strip hoes naked
No fakin'-test my blood bruv
Its William, back as a thug cuz

Akalas 'Shakespeare'

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I have no point to make or agenda here. He came across as articulate and whilst I wasn't listening properly (it was on in the background) was he said seemed reasonably sound.

Two things I do wholeheartedly agree with him on is that increased police numbers and harsher sentencing is likely to make ****** all difference to this issue.

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1 minute ago, Raja Clavata said:

 

Two things I do wholeheartedly agree with him on is that increased police numbers and harsher sentencing is likely to make ****** all difference to this issue.

I quite agree, with just one reservation regarding the harsher sentencing. Life imprisonment for murder ( and I don't mean the insult to the victim and the family of the victim it currently is ) tends to see less reoffending, as does capital punishment. 

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1 minute ago, Raja Clavata said:

Two things I do wholeheartedly agree with him on is that increased police numbers and harsher sentencing is likely to make ****** all difference to this issue.

I dont think police numbers will do anything either.
I certainly dont think a previously unknown rapper talking about it on GMB is going to reduce knife crime either, its certainly a nice bit of promotion for him though, and gives Piers Morgan a nice bit of positive virtue signalling too.
I do think some heavier sentencing wouldnt go amiss, and not just for knife crime.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6822357/Pedophile-hunter-arrests-brothers-uncovers-thousands-images-child-porn.html

100 wraps of coke , £160,000 in cash , not a small time class A drug dealer.
Stick 54,000 child porn images into the mix ?

What are we looking at ? 10 ,15 years ? Dont be daft 6 years , you get more than that for just belonging to a banned far right group !
Out in less than 3.

A strong message sent there ..NOT.

 

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6 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

 

100 wraps of coke , £160,000 in cash , not a small time class A drug dealer.
Stick 54,000 child porn images into the mix ?

What are we looking at ? 10 ,15 years ? Dont be daft 6 years , you get more than that for just belonging to a banned far right group !
Out in less than 3.

A strong message sent there ..NOT.

 

This....

...or this; convicted murderers released to murder again. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-43555887

 

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8 minutes ago, Scully said:

This....

...or this; convicted murderers released to murder again. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-43555887

 

McFall had murdered an 86-year-old woman with a hammer in Greenisland, Carrickfergus, in May 1996, when she disturbed him during a burglary.

He admitted murder and was jailed in April 1997 and released on licence in October 2010.

The court heard he also had previous convictions for violence and firearms offences.

13 years, the price for that poor old womans life, I hope whoever signed that mans release, for him to murder again, thinks about it often.

 

Prosecutor Jamie Hill QC said Mr Unwin murdered a 73-year-old man in Houghton-le-Spring on Christmas Day 1998.

He stole the man's TV and video recorder and then started three fires in the property, so his victim had to be identified by his dental records, Mr Unwin was released from prison on licence in December 2012.

He had a history of setting fires at the scenes of his crimes, the jury was told.

In 1991 he burned an HGV he had broken into and four years later started five fires in the home of another elderly burglary victim who was rescued by neighbours, Mr Hill said.

14 years , why do they call it 'life' in prison, people like him probably enjoy it.

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3 hours ago, Scully said:

I quite agree, with just one reservation regarding the harsher sentencing. Life imprisonment for murder ( and I don't mean the insult to the victim and the family of the victim it currently is ) tends to see less reoffending, as does capital punishment. 

You're an advocate of capital punishment?

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3 hours ago, Rewulf said:

I certainly dont think a previously unknown rapper talking about it on GMB is going to reduce knife crime either, its certainly a nice bit of promotion for him though, and gives Piers Morgan a nice bit of positive virtue signalling too.
I do think some heavier sentencing wouldnt go amiss, and not just for knife crime.

He presented a perspective that I'd not heard before and I'd venture that he's probably closer to the issue and perhaps better qualified to comment on it than most, or at least some. It's a complex issue and different perspectives can be useful in dealing with such complexities?

I agree he's appearing on GMB isn't going to reduce knife crime but I think it's a bit cynical to suggest this was promotion for him, he didn't even raise the point about his recent book release. For a change Piers was pretty quiet and didn't constantly talk over the guy. A voice worth listening to in my opinion.

I agree on heavier sentencing in general as the current levels of leniency are perplexing at times but according to this guy it's unlikely to have a significant effect in the case of youth knife crime. 

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