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Shot Sizing - Is It A Joke?

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1 hour ago, cookoff013 said:

My reloads rotate around 240 to 180.per k.

My other reloads 180/k.

My weirdo stuff, silly money

 

1 hour ago, gotgcoalman said:

Just costed my personal "home rolled" loads for pests.

Primers/powder/wads/shot = £88 for............................

250 🙄

Is this including your personal time along with the components?

I'm genuinely interested. While keepering I did consider loading my own brass as I was using that many on foxes and deer but I never got round to having the time!

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Some real simpletons on here isn't there but Norfolk does have that reputation.

I assume you are joking. It goes well with your comedic grasp of the English language.:lol:

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Since 8 shot is so cheap here I buy it by the 1000.  Then I pry it open and dump the lead.  Then I will mold slugs and buck and reload it.  

 

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This is a wad cutter I made. 

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The is a end cutter that removes the star crimp I made. 

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1 hour ago, Gordon R said:

I assume you are joking. It goes well with your comedic grasp of the English language.

Please expand, ran my comments through three spelling and grammar correction sites with no errors flagged, so maybe the fault lies with your interpretation.

I'm sure if you wish to join the grammar police you will be kept busy elsewhere. Your skills are wasted on PW!

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12 hours ago, Perazzishot said:

I can buy 28g Fibres for less than 20p a cartridge so why would you?

Because I enjoy doing it, just like you enjoy being a smartarse *****.

I can also buy 28 gram fibres for less than 20p, but as I said I load for a hell of a lot less. You aren't the only person on the planet who earns £40 per hour + you know, but you feel compelled to bring it up. Maybe the £40 is as exagerated as your 90 yard pheasants?

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8 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said:

This is a homemade roll crimper I turned down.  So since I buy the #8 for 18cent (US)  I can shoot slugs, or buck for 18cent.  

 

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Re this photo. Is that your work-place? Because if not, then that's some man-shed! :good:

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14 minutes ago, wymberley said:

Re this photo. Is that your work-place? Because if not, then that's some man-shed! :good:

Lol, yea.  I have lots a free time.  I set around and wait for a robot to break or a hydraulic cylinder.  

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i do it because i like to play.

i had quite a few projects that really-really were alot of fun. 

subsonics, nontoxic shot, pressure curves, brand new "old powder " new uses (subsonic 28gram), econo steel, 1000 shells per kg of powder, the list goes on.

the best one that was very successful was a volumetric assay. and essentially i chucked 26 grains of powder, then loaded, 25g steel, 28gram pure copper shot, 29gram itx10, 32g niceshot, 32g bismuth, 36g "classic lead" and 42g tungsten 13.  had them pressure tested, 

then i loaded 32g steel in a new wad. 

1, i found out how much energy is in that charge of powder, about 2300ftlbs woth of energy, confirmed by 2 seperate tests, 

2, there is not much difference in 28gram copper, 29g itx10, 32g bismuth, and 32g niceshot.

3, there were some jolly nice chaps on here who sent me some copper shot, for this test. the power of PW is amazing.

4, the powder has an optimal load of 36g lead, efficient, and performance.

5, powershot is amazing, not that scary either. that extracts energy really efficiently at that charge.

6, i have a pressure traces for that same charge without a compression section. that extracts the all (assumed 100%) energy at the hi pressure that is double that of its counterpart, aka 32g steel vs 32g niceshot.

7, itx 10 is a fantastic medium. it really is. 

8, i have a guestimative assay for loadings, if any new shot appears with any density between 7 and 13g/cc3 i have a potential load to use.
9, i have the secrets with that powder.

10, when powders work out of there comfort zone they will fail statistics, even though the pressure appear quite sane,

11, doing tests like this cost a fortune and i cried. the total cost was a fortune,

12, i have a donor load for multiplexing shot types. aka more varied nontox loads available.

13, shot weight has a huge influence on pressures,

14, with that powder charges, only 200fps drop from 42g tungsten (failed by statistics) and the fastest 25g steel shot.

15, the tubo 24 is a fantastic wad. 

16, more than likley i can stuff it in a 12/70mm /rto. the original load was 76mm. 

17, thats why i reload. this was the result of some imagination, a few conversations with tons of people, and myself. 

18, after doing all this, xx g powershot t13 is a very achievable option. and "some" fps isnt at all too shabby. thats the golden nugget.

19, i ran out of bread puns, they went stale too fast.

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Please expand, ran my comments through three spelling and grammar correction sites with no errors flagged,

I don't need to run the comments through anything. They are flawed. I don't see it as my place to educate you, although the need is clear.

What I do take issue with is when you start "name dropping", as if this makes your view correct. I also take issue with panning people from Norfolk. Some of the very best people on here are from that area.

Your comments detract from a topic about shot sizing.

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43 minutes ago, cookoff013 said:

19, i ran out of bread puns, they went stale too fast.

Too busy loafing around !!

1 minute ago, Gordon R said:

I also take issue with panning people from Norfolk. Some of the very best people on here are from that area.

I've never lived in Norfolk ... but I will one day.

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7 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

It is a very nice, hospitable place.

what PW?

its alright. wouldnt move there myself, its a bit digital. i never thought anyone can live online anyway.

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51 minutes ago, Smokersmith said:

Too busy loafing around !!

I've never lived in Norfolk ... but I will one day.

CRUMBS no KNEAD to PROVE if Norfolk or reloading are viable, Perazi shot has the BREAD he has no KNEAD to reload he said so because he has the DOUGH!  he has used his LOAF  and knows where his BREAD is buttered even though he is a bit CRUSTY or is that FLAKEY.

PS i hope to move to NORFOLK one day but have to make do with Lincolnshire for the moment.

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Ive never really counted the cost of reloading, as its an important part of the sport for me. I reload non-toxic 10/12g and small gauge lead.. not sure why you should put a price on something you enjoy.  in reply to the OP i have taken apart carts and found quite a lot of variability in number of shot per cart and shot sizes between makers.. everyone has different reasons for shooting !

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islandgun - I have to agree. I reloaded my own 12 gauge stuff in the mid 1980s. Making my own lead shot yielded a decent saving, but if I had to buy the lead shot, the saving was negligible for 7-9 shot. My lads used to help, but as they became bored of being in my little production line, their enthusiasm tailed off. That said, there was a good deal of satisfaction in loading my own. I was pleased that I rarely, if ever, had a jam in my Remington 1100s with my reloads, whereas I got about 1 or 2 in every hundred with commercial loads. Part of the reason might have been my choice of cases - I stuck mainly to Winchester Trap 100 and Trap 200 cases.

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i have great satisfaction at loading cartridges and getting good comments  well sometimes   the topic is lead sizes   my answer is simple    reduce most by  one half size on continental shot sizes so a 6 is five and half      or better still order you shot in metric    i have just had 45 ton to try and beat  brexit paperwork  and any import duty    so my interipion if you were buying lead or  cartridges would be    a 2.7mm shot would be a continental 6   but here in uk i put them out as  a five and half        so thats that   cheers   george    07714 323 909    my lead is £3.20p a kilo collected    the best you can buy   tower dropped and polished

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On 13/03/2019 at 23:10, Perazzishot said:

 

Enjoy what makes you happy, get a good dog because we will all wound and injure whether it is 20 yard duck or a 70 yard pheasant!

 

I’m not taking sides although I very much agree with this. 

There are some folk on PW who take a real interest in the nitty gritty of everything to do with this shooting malarkey, same as there are those of us who just want to go out and shoot. 

There are those who want to simply turn the ignition key of a vehicle and expect it to fire up, and those who want to know why it does.....and sometimes why it doesn’t. Although I’m interested in the latter, if it doesn’t start up I’ll take it to the garage because I can then go and earn money while it’s in there; if I take time off to try and fix it I’m wasting time. 

I used to homeload when I had handguns, because I got through tons of the stuff and it made sense. I don’t reload for shotguns because I have no interest in it and cartridges are relatively cheap; I’d rather be out shooting. The fact that we’re being ripped off cost wise isn’t even worth bothering about or whinging about because of the simple fact none of us are going to do a thing about it.

Each to their own. 👍

Edited to add: Impressive stuff nobodyimportant; i like those wadcutters; a mate used to swage his own HBWC and they were little works of art! 🙂

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