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It looks like you live in a rural area that is relatively safe......discharging firearms wise? Catching a child early enables you to hopefully teach safety, familiarity with and respect for guns under proper parental supervision..........that is a parents responsibility, well done!

The opportunities to do this in the UK with very young children are now very limited due to our gun laws.........

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Looks like fun. 👍

Am envious of your freedoms. While in Italy recently, I saw about 20 junior school kids of both sexes being escorted through Venice by ( I'm assuming ) their class teachers. Nothing out of the ordinary admittedly, but each one was wearing a bright red baseball cap with 'Perazzi' emblazoned across the front. We could do this in the UK of course, but it wouldn't be too long before a parent or someone else complained about it and had it stopped. 

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7 hours ago, Scully said:

Looks like fun. 👍

Am envious of your freedoms. While in Italy recently, I saw about 20 junior school kids of both sexes being escorted through Venice by ( I'm assuming ) their class teachers. Nothing out of the ordinary admittedly, but each one was wearing a bright red baseball cap with 'Perazzi' emblazoned across the front. We could do this in the UK of course, but it wouldn't be too long before a parent or someone else complained about it and had it stopped. 

FITAV the Italian shooting federation go into schools with their top shooters to explain about clay target shooting and encourage the kids to have a go. All the larger shooting companies provide support to FITAV so hence the Perazzi  caps I guess. 

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13 hours ago, panoma1 said:

It looks like you live in a rural area that is relatively safe......discharging firearms wise? Catching a child early enables you to hopefully teach safety, familiarity with and respect for guns under proper parental supervision..........that is a parents responsibility, well done!

The opportunities to do this in the UK with very young children are now very limited due to our gun laws.........

Yea.  It’s about 2 miles through those woods until the next house.  In the UK can you not take your children to gun ranges?  I every once and a while we will go to public ranges just to interact with other gun owners but we had a nice burm with steel targets behind the house.  

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13 hours ago, Duckandswing said:

I love to see this. I’m jealous to be honest. The most I can feasibly do is take my lad down the clay ground and have a little plinking in the back garden with his air rifle.

Id be like a kid in a candy store with the choices of firearms available in the states.

He runs around with his air rifle but he isn’t allowed to mess with his 22lrs with out me present.  I was 8 before I was allowed to hunt by myself but for some reason that seems to young nowadays.  He hasn’t shot clays yet but we fill helium balloons up and shoot them with B.B. guns.  

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8 hours ago, Scully said:

Looks like fun. 👍

Am envious of your freedoms. While in Italy recently, I saw about 20 junior school kids of both sexes being escorted through Venice by ( I'm assuming ) their class teachers. Nothing out of the ordinary admittedly, but each one was wearing a bright red baseball cap with 'Perazzi' emblazoned across the front. We could do this in the UK of course, but it wouldn't be too long before a parent or someone else complained about it and had it stopped. 

That’s awesome.  Around here the country schools are very relaxed.  The middle and high schools have skeet teams.  But in the liberal strongholds a child will be expelled for eating a pop tart into a shape of a gun. ( that really happened). A kid ate a pastry in a way the resembled a hand gun.  

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I am actually quite fascinated by the UK shooting seen.  I love the high end SxS and O/Us.  Around here gun stores just don’t carry shotguns that are not black, plastic, and hold at least 8 shells.  Deer hunting is popular.  We hunt bear, elk, coyote but water fowl and bird hunting is a dying hobby.  I have never had enough people interested to organize a bird drive.  I set on the side of a found and just shoot the doves that fly in.  Many of our lakes are being built up with million dollar houses and they are banning water fowl hunting.  

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Interesting to see that you are envious of some of our old ways and we are very envious of your freedom.

Love the Pop Tart/gun story.:rolleyes:

My eldest loves shooting and is now in the Military, the younger lad has no interest at all. Horses for courses I suppose!

 

Enjoy your time with your lad, it really is very special.:good:

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Not so much jealous of your more relaxed laws….or your vastly better prices….or your freedoms….but just the space you have over the other side of the pond.  Good luck acquiring a property in the UK where you have sufficient space to use rifles in your back yard/garden.  We are a small, crowded island, and have to jealously guard any land we might acquire permission to hunt over, the “perms” we keep obsessing over on this forum.

As for introducing the kids to shooting, in suburbia in the UK we are lucky if we can ‘plink’ in the back garden using an air rifle without some idiot neighbour calling the police**

As for being jealous of the UK SXS/ O/U scene…well I guess the grass is always greener.  :lol: I smell a business opportunity for you??

Matt

*Am thinking 1st amendment here, as well as the 2nd….

**Obviously having ensured the usual precautions such as safe back stops….

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I only shoot 22lr right behind the house when the wife is home. Everything else I walk about 500 yards back into the woods.  I have a nice berm built at the property line.  There is a mountain behind the berm but I want to stop my bullets at the property line.  I got ar500 steel that can handle up to 50cal.  We have only had the police called out one time and that was because we was shooting a full auto 1919 at exploding tanerite targets.  The cops were nice and wanted to make sure the full auto had a tax stamp.  My buddy told him to **** off becuase in America you have to pay 200$ tax to own a full auto.  You have to keep the tax stamp with the gun.  But the law states that you had zero duty to prove you have it to local police.  The federal ATF agents are the only people allowed to ask for the stamp.  But the neighbor that called the police bought a helicopter off eBay and was trying to learn to fly it.  He crashed it in front of my house.  I defended him when the police did there investigation so he doesn’t call the police on me anymore.  

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51 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

  We are a small, crowded island, and have to jealously guard any land we might acquire permission to hunt over, the “perms” we keep obsessing over on this forum.

A was wondering how that worked.  Here we have million of acres of game land that is free to hunt.  But the thing is there are very few roads in.  The areas near the roads are hunted out.  So to get a deer you have to hike 5 miles in, drag a deer 5 miles back to your truck.  You can take Atvs to retrieve game meat but most places on the east coast is dense trees or rugged mountains.  So your better off getting permission from a farmer.  It’s actually getting easier because we have the new Landowners protection Act.  If you are hunting another persons poperty and get hurt or killed you can’t sue them.  Before the act was passed farmers were to scared to allow people on their farms.  

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8 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said:

We have only had the police called out one time and that was because we was shooting a full auto 1919 at exploding tanerite targets.

 

bought a helicopter off eBay and was trying to learn to fly it.  He crashed it in front of my house.  

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2 things i never thought id read on pigeon watch 🤣👍

We shoot clay discs (different than clay pigeon) , maybe little exploding discs at £10 for 5 if youve won the lottery (about a inch big) and full auto is airsoft. Can honestly say im jealous 

 

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2 hours ago, strimmer_13 said:

2 things i never thought id read on pigeon watch 🤣👍

We shoot clay discs (different than clay pigeon) , maybe little exploding discs at £10 for 5 if youve won the lottery (about a inch big) and full auto is airsoft. Can honestly say im jealous 

 

Lol,  the neighbor called and was like Hey man,  your going to notice a flaming helicopter tail section in front of your house but I’m going to clean it up.  But luckily in the USA you don’t need a pilots license to fly if your under so many thousand feet and not carrying passengers so he didn’t get in trouble.  I could have gotten him because a piece of rotor blade struck my house but I didn’t press charges.  So he honestly leaves me alone now.  

As far as the exploding targets we have tanirite which is kinda high.  But you can buy the fertilizer and aluminum in bulk and it’s cheap that away.  

In in regards to full auto, hand grenades, pipe bombs, short barrel rifles, suppressors that all have to  have a stamp.  That stamp is $200.  So you have to be rich to play that game.  Or you have to pay like $1000 every year to get a manufacturing license.  But nowadays to get a manufacturing license you have to have a brick and mortar building with a address. So many guys will go in to gather and rent a cheap building, and they split the $1000 a year.  Then they will be employees of said company and can carry what they want.  It’s my understanding that you guys don’t have a short barrel rifle tax or a suppressor tax.  

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1 hour ago, team tractor said:

I love taking my kids out with the .410 and my daughter loves sitting out for summer foxes in the rough grass with me. 

My son started coming out last summer too . 

I think 410 is the route I’m going to go if I take I him dove hunting this year.  He can shoot my 20g but he can’t control it because the weight.  I’m seriously thinking a single shot 410.  

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We don't have any taxes on individual firearm types, we apply for a shotgun certificate, which has a load of hoops to jump through such as form filling, photos, disclosures, referees and the applicants GP is consulted by the police, there are also conditions applied....such as specified means of security/storage and the police usually apply limits (unofficial) on numbers of shotguns we can possess.A SGC lasts for 5 years.

Although I gave up my FAC some time ago, as I recall, with firearms basically we apply for a firearm certificate for specific calibre/s and if granted this allows an applicant to acquire that specific calibre/s only, you have to give good reason for having the gun, and written permission from the landowner covering the particular ground/s you wish to to use it! You are also restricted on the number of rounds you can possess at any one time and a restriction on the total number you can purchase at any one time, all ammo purchases are entered onto your FAC by the vendor.....we jump through even more hoops to obtain a FAC, referees, storage and security arrangements, photos, medical opinions etc, once you have a FAC you also need to apply to have variation on your FAC if you wish to exchange a firearm like for like, or purchase other calibres and if you wish to acquire a sound moderator! A FAC also lasts for 5 years.....in the U.K. there are many more hurdles to overcome before and during the life of your FAC. The whole licensing system is, in my opinion a dogs breakfast with different police force areas applying different standards/requirements and making up the rules as they go!

We are also restricted on what type of firearm the public can possess, for example, hand guns, except in certain circumstances are banned! There are far to many exclusions/conditions on Firearm ownership in the U.K. To itemise here......but this should give you a rough idea!

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1 hour ago, panoma1 said:

We don't have any taxes on individual firearm types, we apply for a shotgun certificate, which has a load of hoops to jump through such as form filling, photos, disclosures, referees and the applicants GP is consulted by the police, there are also conditions applied....such as specified means of security/storage and the police usually apply limits (unofficial) on numbers of shotguns we can possess.A SGC lasts for 5 years.

Although I gave up my FAC some time ago, as I recall, with firearms basically we apply for a firearm certificate for specific calibre/s and if granted this allows an applicant to acquire that specific calibre/s only, you have to give good reason for having the gun, and written permission from the landowner covering the particular ground/s you wish to to use it! You are also restricted on the number of rounds you can possess at any one time and a restriction on the total number you can purchase at any one time, all ammo purchases are entered onto your FAC by the vendor.....we jump through even more hoops to obtain a FAC, referees, storage and security arrangements, photos, medical opinions etc, once you have a FAC you also need to apply to have variation on your FAC if you wish to exchange a firearm like for like, or purchase other calibres and if you wish to acquire a sound moderator! A FAC also lasts for 5 years.....in the U.K. there are many more hurdles to overcome before and during the life of your FAC. The whole licensing system is, in my opinion a dogs breakfast with different police force areas applying different standards/requirements and making up the rules as they go!

We are also restricted on what type of firearm the public can possess, for example, hand guns, except in certain circumstances are banned! There are far to many exclusions/conditions on Firearm ownership in the U.K. To itemise here......but this should give you a rough idea!

Thanks,  that was much more then I knew. Can you  have long barrel pistols?  I know you can in Canada.  

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59 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said:

Thanks,  that was much more then I knew. Can you  have long barrel pistols?  I know you can in Canada.  

Yes, you can, providing they have a fixed arm ‘brace’ also. You can of course shoot black powder, which also entails a license, but for handguns in the true sense it requires much much more hassle than it’s worth in my opinion. 

You can of course go down the illegal route, which doesn’t require licensing or character checks from the police, nor a GP’s statement of fitness. This route means you can own anything you want, from handguns to a MAC-10. 🙂

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The UK has one of the tightest legislative control of gun ownership and use in the world, it is all unnecessary really, as only law abiding, legal gun owners are controlled by the legislation, the crooks still have guns just the same as they always did, despite the government bringing in ever more  gun regulation and gun laws!.......our government apparantly feels the need to be seen to be doing something, so give the police the authority to micro-control legal gun owners/ownership virtually as they see fit! Now to make matters worse for gun owners the government and police have involved the medical profession (at a cost to the applicant!) in licensing, not in my opinion for reasons of public safety and to replace pointless/irrelevant/unnecessary legislation.........but to further regulate legal gun ownership!

Successive governments ignore the truth and refuse to bring in targeted legislation based on the fact that it is not guns that commit crimes and kill people, it's people that commit crimes and kill people!....just lately vehicles have been used to deliberately run down and kill people in our streets........there is no talk of banning vehicles!.....because it is the vehicle driver that killed those people....not the ******* vehicle!

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On 01/04/2019 at 23:47, NoBodyImportant said:

Yea.  It’s about 2 miles through those woods until the next house.  In the UK can you not take your children to gun ranges?  I every once and a while we will go to public ranges just to interact with other gun owners but we had a nice burm with steel targets behind the house.  

You can take the kids to the range, but it’s entirely at the operator’s discretion as to whether they’ll let you. 

‘My eldest has been going on and off from the age of 6 to the one I use most regularly, he may not be the best shot in the world but his safety is 100% (it’d put some “more experienced” shooters to shame) so he’s always made welcome.  A few other youngsters are sometimes around and it’s great to see them getting into the sport. 

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