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Oh no! ATA Supersport

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1 hour ago, figgy said:

So what your all saying is the big brands are ripping us all off,  these Turkish guns are of top quality materials and workmanship? 

Ripping off is a bit strong, I suppose if an ATA does the same job, fits and shoots as well, and gives the same amount of service time as a Silver pigeon costing 3 times as much, then all it comes down to is the name, and re sale value. 

We can assume quality and workmanship are 'as good' 

It's like driving to your destination in a  Dacia or a Range Rover, they both get you there, will likely last as long, but one costs many times less than the other, and is more reliable 🤣

30 minutes ago, Smokersmith said:

Remember not all businesses set RSP's based on cost of goods + a profit margin.

Many will set a selling price based on a gap in the market, or what folks are willing to pay for the brand etc.

 

 

Exactly. 

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52 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Ripping off is a bit strong, I suppose if an ATA does the same job, fits and shoots as well, and gives the same amount of service time as a Silver pigeon costing 3 times as much, then all it comes down to is the name, and re sale value. 

We can assume quality and workmanship are 'as good' 

It's like driving to your destination in a  Dacia or a Range Rover, they both get you there, will likely last as long, but one costs many times less than the other, and is more reliable 🤣

Exactly. 

With a range rover you can see what your paying for and getting. More kit better leather etc. Yes they both get you there but completely different class and materials. Where as shotguns are two tubes a trigger with Sears and hammers and lump.if wood. Not exactly much different for hundreds of years.

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1 hour ago, figgy said:

With a range rover you can see what your paying for and getting. More kit better leather etc. Yes they both get you there but completely different class and materials. Where as shotguns are two tubes a trigger with Sears and hammers and lump.if wood. Not exactly much different for hundreds of years.

I was joking about the RR analogy, but you get the gist with the guns?

Having the name Berreta on it makes it more expensive. Think of it this way, if they were both exactly the same gun ,made in the same factory,  but one said ATA and one said Beretta, and were the same money, which would you buy ?

ATA even tried branding the earlier ones as Weatherby, a defunct off the shelf name , but no one was interested.

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Ginger cat that's true to a point, design tolerances and materials are where they differ.

Would be good to know the grade and hardness of the steel used in guns.  Berettas steelium barrel steel someone on here years ago said the same same steel was in his work place. General grade of steel.are the lesser brand guns made of softer steel or harder etc. 

The name on the gun matters not to me.

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1 hour ago, figgy said:

Ginger cat that's true to a point, design tolerances and materials are where they differ.

Would be good to know the grade and hardness of the steel used in guns.  Berettas steelium barrel steel someone on here years ago said the same same steel was in his work place. General grade of steel.are the lesser brand guns made of softer steel or harder etc. 

The name on the gun matters not to me.

Just for the record, "Steelium" is Beretta's newish buzzword for the process of cold hammer forging. The material is the same old Excelsior HSA steel they've used for yonks.

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Westward you are correct. It's the code for the steel I can't remember something like fw3 

Gunmakers are as good as facecream and yoghurt makers for making up names.

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Think what you have to consider is not what is in a gun such as ATA, but try and justify what is in a gun costing a multiple of several times more to justify the price.

At the shooting show this weekend saw some lovely guns but for the price you could buy a small family car ! Look what goes into a car compared to a  gun. As long as gunmakers can greatly inflate their price and get away with it they will.

 

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6 hours ago, figgy said:

Westward you are correct. It's the code for the steel I can't remember something like fw3 

Gunmakers are as good as facecream and yoghurt makers for making up names.

I've no idea what the steel industry code is for the Excelsior steel but it's used on all the Beretta factory shotguns. They use the really fancy Boehler Antinit on the posh custom shop guns. I doubt if those guns have forged barrels, they likely have bored barrels like proper guns.

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12 hours ago, GingerCat said:

My understanding is that ata made barrels for Beretta so they should be ok, don't know about the actions. 

I have heard conflicting views on this, and when I visited the Beretta store in London (which is amazing by the way!) the gunroom manager categorically denied that any Beretta barrels have ever been made by any Turkish manufacturer.  I have had a good think about purchasing this ATA SuperSport and whilst I think its a great gun for the money the only way I can do it is to part with something from my collection to free up cabinet space.  My main gun is still my Perazzi MT6 and I really dont think that would be a sensible gun to chop in for the ATA and the others are all in regular use...

But then again given some of the great reviews, perhaps the ATA could be a viable main clay gun?

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Just so you dont think theyre made by a bloke called Mustafa in his shed, it briefly mentions the Beretta connection, but Ive heard many times  they made parts for Beretta .

 

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Look like the real deal seeing them manufactured.

Some of the higher end Yidiz look very nice too.

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