Rewulf Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 20 minutes ago, mudpatten said: Interesting to debate what might have happened if the woman had been a Muslim. Okaay..what would have been different ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 I suspect that the case would not have got to court. But perhaps I`m being too cynical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 Just now, mudpatten said: I suspect that the case would not have got to court. But perhaps I`m being too cynical. Dont forget , this is in the US , I really dont think it would make any difference, here , or there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 Thank you for pointing out that this took place in the U.S. I read through it very quickly and completely missed that detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 hour ago, mudpatten said: I suspect that the case would not have got to court. But perhaps I`m being too cynical. No just feeding racial tensions, why would you even think about adding that to the debate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Retsdon said: I think people should recognize the difference between what are sexually under-aged children and statutory children. In other words an eight year old girl tricked into some kind of sexual act is not the same as a 15 year old boy (who's almost certainly had some kind of experimental sexual relationships with his peer age - of would have done had the opportunity presented itself). Despite that the're both 'children' in law, they're completely different cases and should be treated as such. And following on from that, I think this modern equivalence between boys and girls is contrived ****. When a girl has sexual relations she's basically giving up herself for penetration and that has to be a massive thing. To pretend that a bloke (even if he's in his early teens) is going to toss and turn at night because he got his leg over 'inappropriately' is, in m,y mind, plain nonsense and stems from a political rather than an actual concern. How many blokes reading this thread would have felt abused if a 26 year old woman had taken them upstairs when they were 15? I'll bet none. On the contrary...thank you Miss. Jones and I'll cherish the memory as long as I live!. But hey ho ... Absolutely deluded. Your attitude lets predators like the teacher in this off the hook. Its the exact kind of attitude that let high profile celebs et al abuse their positions of power to sexually abuse many people, and then get away with it. Hopefully your never in a position where you have to support young adults who've been sexually abused. I have done that job, working with both boys and girls and the damage is massive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehb102 Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 I rarely agree with @lloyd90 about anything, but he is spot on this time @Retsdon and anyone else needs to read Dr Em's recent work. Start here: https://medium.com/@doctorEm/the-trojan-unicorn-queer-theory-and-paedophilia-part-i-a0cf30ef7bfa . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobthedug Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 (edited) On 03/06/2019 at 16:15, figgy said: That's the law of this country not nature as procreation and breeding intended. If he didn't find her attractive and she was pig ugly and stunk. Unless she tried him up and force fed him Viagra sex wouldn't happen. figgy, You are very wrong with your assumption. Male children who are abused often show physical signs of arousal which is why being abused, particularly by another male has such a devastating effect on their mental state. She is a child abuser and deserves prison. Edited to say that unfortunately there are other posting who share the same thoughts. Apologies for singling you out. Edited June 16, 2019 by bobthedug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 On 17/06/2019 at 01:43, ehb102 said: I rarely agree with @lloyd90 about anything, but he is spot on this time @Retsdon and anyone else needs to read Dr Em's recent work. Start here: https://medium.com/@doctorEm/the-trojan-unicorn-queer-theory-and-paedophilia-part-i-a0cf30ef7bfa . I read your link. Where is the equivalence between a man paying an uncomprehending pre-pubescent girl small change for sexual favours and, say, a 20 year old woman taking a horny 15 year old teenager into her bed? Despite that they might both fall outside the law, I can see a massive difference between these two scenarios and don't regard them as the same thing at all. But maybe I'm just old-fashioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 30 minutes ago, Retsdon said: I read your link. Where is the equivalence between a man paying an uncomprehending pre-pubescent girl small change for sexual favours and, say, a 20 year old woman taking a horny 15 year old teenager into her bed? Despite that they might both fall outside the law, I can see a massive difference between these two scenarios and don't regard them as the same thing at all. But maybe I'm just old-fashioned. I have to agree with Retsdon here.Theres a difference, a big one. To equivocate them as the same crime is just ridiculous, its like manslaughter and murder. The interesting extension to this in UK law , is the position of trust law. A person can be over the age of consent, but still the person in the POT can be prosecuted for having sexual relations with them, teachers have been jailed for this. No one has yet addressed the point of different ages of consent within Europe yet either, these things are not black and white , as some would like you to think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 50 minutes ago, Rewulf said: No one has yet addressed the point of different ages of consent within Europe yet either, these things are not black and white , as some would like you to think. Part of the reason is, there’s often an ‘age-gap’ concept defined in law, rather than just a minimum age of consent. So, a 16 year old boy could sleep with his 15 year old girlfriend and not expect to have his collar felt. But if a 21 year old tried to bed the same 15 year old girl, he would be invited to have a chat down the police station. In other words, the age of consent might be 14, but if either person is below 18, there cannot be more than a 3 year age gap. This avoids criminialising ‘young love’/horny teenagers, without legalising grooming of young impressionable minds by older people who should know better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said: Part of the reason is, there’s often an ‘age-gap’ concept defined in law, rather than just a minimum age of consent. So, a 16 year old boy could sleep with his 15 year old girlfriend and not expect to have his collar felt. But if a 21 year old tried to bed the same 15 year old girl, he would be invited to have a chat down the police station. In other words, the age of consent might be 14, but if either person is below 18, there cannot be more than a 3 year age gap. This avoids criminialising ‘young love’/horny teenagers, without legalising grooming of young impressionable minds by older people who should know better. Really ? First time Ive heard that ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehb102 Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 Men arg 4 hours ago, Retsdon said: I read your link. Where is the equivalence between a man paying an uncomprehending pre-pubescent girl small change for sexual favours and, say, a 20 year old woman taking a horny 15 year old teenager into her bed? Despite that they might both fall outside the law, I can see a massive difference between these two scenarios and don't regard them as the same thing at all. But maybe I'm just old-fashioned. It's not about equivalence, it about the age of consent. It's a black line. You fall one side or the other. Either a person is deemed able to consent in law, or they are not. If they are not, the adult is an abuser. They should be being adult about the decision. Arguing that the age of consent is flexible according to who is asking, or even that children are able to consent to sex is what you hear from paedos. I hope you read all four parts of the article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, ehb102 said: It's not about equivalence, it about the age of consent. So once again, in this country an 18 year old having sex with a 15 year old is 'abuse' despite the fact they are in a relationship. Yet in Germany, italy ect , its perfectly OK ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehb102 Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 5 hours ago, Rewulf said: So once again, in this country an 18 year old having sex with a 15 year old is 'abuse' despite the fact they are in a relationship. Yet in Germany, italy ect , its perfectly OK ? You know what this argument sounds like? It sounds like you're saying that it's really okay to **** children because some countries are backwards and don't make it illegal. I really hope you don't mean that. It might be okay in law - see child marriage - but it doesn't make it okay, as shown by the multitude of survivor stories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 8 hours ago, ehb102 said: You know what this argument sounds like? It sounds like you're saying that it's really okay to **** children because some countries are backwards and don't make it illegal. I really hope you don't mean that. It might be okay in law - see child marriage - but it doesn't make it okay, as shown by the multitude of survivor stories. Quite how you read that into it I've no idea! Germany and Italy are backward? And at least 10 other European countries, because they have a lower age of consent? ' It might be OK in law, but it doesn't make it right' What does that mean? Your version of morality supercedes the law? At least read back on my comments, and see the bits where I repeatedly say I am not advocating changing the age of consent in this country, or justifying genuine abuse before you wield your big red paedophile stamp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 On 03/06/2019 at 16:12, Blackbriar said: He's 14 years old so he is below the age at which he can give consent. Statutory rape ! It isn't statutory rape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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