Brexit - merged threads

[12gauge82]

42 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said:

That needs to be put everywhere. 

Then remoaners will say they didn't know that... 

 

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

Love a bit of nostalgia 🤣

Check out @LeaveEUOfficial’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1071006974299508736?s=09

It's unbelievable isn't, it couldn't be simpler, yet it's been twisted to suit the remoaners agenda to stay tied to the EU.

[armsid]

pjnfireman is spot on no wonder brown signed up when he was labour leader . He stuffed our pensions and now we find out this. Pity it has taken till now to find out. This is scary we  should have been told before Brexit vote might have been 100% to leave thanks pinfireman

[Dave-G]

Just a thought but I've put my tin hat on: Bearing in mind us plebs now know about the EU army: Does anyone think our prime ministers could have been threatened regarding the pending EU army and may have even been warned 'become part of it or fight it' and are playing it safe but won't say so because would have little chance of winning that war now our heavy machinery capacity has been all but stripped from us? 

The following is snipped from Cameron's speech two days before the referendum: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-brexit-latest-live-david-cameron-full-speech-remain-leave-a7093426.html

Quote:

"And it’s also about our national security, too.

"My first responsibility is to keep you safe.

"Some of the most important moments behind that door are when you’re reading the intelligence reports…

"…taking in the most chilling details about those who are planning to do us harm.

"My job is to act. To make the right call. To use every tool at my disposal to protect our country, to protect you, to protect your children.

"I would not be standing here, encouraging you to vote to remain in the EU, if I thought the EU stopped me from doing that.

"The reality is the opposite. Our membership of the EU helps me.

"I’ve seen first-hand, in these dangerous times, how we can better cooperate with our friends and neighbours.

"How we can share information, track terrorists down and bring them to justice.

"How, alongside key allies like the French and the Germans, we’re more effective at facing down threats and keeping people safe.

I’ve seen it time and again – at a very practical level – that we’re safer in Europe than out on our own. 

"Being a member of the European Union also gives us strength in the world.

"We aren’t any old country. We’re a special country – one whose language, whose values, whose influence is felt the world over.

 

"If I felt that remaining in the European Union diminished us, I would recommend that we voted to leave.

"But it doesn’t. It amplifies our power.

"When we’re in these organisations, we become an even bigger force in the world, with a bigger influence in the world.

 

[Jaymo]

1 hour ago, Dave-G said:

Can I copy and paste this elsewhere please?

You might need to check the facts, that’s exactly the same ‘could happen’ scenario type projection that your dead set against if anyone quotes a ‘Project fear’ projection that the brexiteers On here instantly ‘rubbish’ 🙂

If you purely repeat without checking the facts, then that’s where the blurred lines between fact n fiction come from.

Some of it might be real, but do you know or do you wish to quote regardless because it sounds plausible?

[panoma1]

2 hours ago, pinfireman said:

Here are the consequences of Staying in the EU.......................

These outcomes have already been agreed:
1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.
3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.
4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen the move is fully cancelled but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.
5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.
6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent
15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealth
18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.; Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar ect
19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
20: The UK loses control of its international policy
21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction 
25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020

So these are the outcomes that could happen:

1: The UK will become nothing more than a vassal protectorate state
2: With the continuation of freedom of movement, the population of the UK will continue to grow at a rate higher than pre-referendum level ranging between 400,000 to 675,000 per annum. 
2.1; Which will result in not just wage suppression but even wage depression. 
2.2; More than 500,000 new homes to be built annually (We are currently only managing 125,000)
2.3; House prices and rents will skyrocket annually by 23%
2.4; Class sizes in schools would have to increase by 50% if not even double 
2.5; The NHS will become solely an emergency service of care provider as they would no longer be able to cope with the numbers of people needing care other than those of emergency.
2.6; GP’s will become triage centres
2.7; Public transport will become permit holders use only
2.8; Only those that did a serious crime namely murder will be given a custodial sentence
2.9; The Court system becomes fully overrun to the point extreme cases only being heard and the rest being given an automatic fine
2.10; Emergency services collapsing for not being able to cope with the scale of things
2.11; Social care becoming solely private social care for those who can afford it.
2.12; Homelessness to increase by over 28% annually
2.13; Unemployment to increase annually by 37%
2.14; The Benefit system to collapse fully to the point of the return of soup kitchens and even workhouse existence
2.15; Crime to increase by over 59% annually
2.16; Shanty towns to become the norm standard of housing
3: Because the UK would no longer be able to make its own trade deals, nor control its tariffs or quotas, Food prices would increase by over 25% and the cost of living would go up by over 39%
4: Because the UK would lose its oil and gas rights it would also lose the revenue from taxation on them, resulting in a loss of over 600 billion per year in taxation revenue
5: Because the UK will become a member state its percentage share of the vote on any new laws, regulations, treaties and everything else is at current member numbers 3.57% of the vote. That’s right folks the UK say in the EU if it was to remain a member is 3.57% total

That,s what you call a real Project Fear!

Where did this come from? Can you provide a link?

[Bazooka Joe]

Quote

You might need to check the facts, that’s exactly the same ‘could happen’ scenario type projection

First line of PF's post says it has already been agreed.

[ShootingEgg]

In 2014 it was reported on all eu member states having to be using the euro currency by 2020. Just amazing how certain things get swept under the carpet and left there

[Dave-G]

20 minutes ago, Jaymo said:

You might need to check the facts, that’s exactly the same ‘could happen’ scenario type projection that your dead set against if anyone quotes a ‘Project fear’ projection that the brexiteers On here instantly ‘rubbish’ 🙂

If you purely repeat without checking the facts, then that’s where the blurred lines between fact n fiction come from.

Some of it might be real, but do you know or do you wish to quote regardless because it sounds plausible?

Yep - had a look into it and found some doubts about its provenance. 

[oldypigeonpopper]

hello, i see Mr Bair was spouting on about a second referendum again, 

[Dave-G]

14 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said:

In 2014 it was reported on all eu member states having to be using the euro currency by 2020. Just amazing how certain things get swept under the carpet and left there

yup - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10935617/After-2020-all-EU-members-will-have-to-adopt-the-euro.html

[Jaymo]

8 hours ago, Dave-G said:

yup - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10935617/After-2020-all-EU-members-will-have-to-adopt-the-euro.html

Once again, it’s a piece of Journalism and not ‘fact’ and has never been placed into legislation 

Remember the same applies for laws , a request from the EU to adopt a certain policy is just that and not made mandatory by an individual member state- so if it’s energy saving bulbs etc then of course we vote/agree to go along with it, but in other matters we haven’t.

We have always had the right to set our own laws 

[das]

12 hours ago, pinfireman said:

Here are the consequences of Staying in the EU.......................

These outcomes have already been agreed:
1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.
3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.
4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen the move is fully cancelled but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.
5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.
6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent
15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealth
18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.; Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar ect
19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
20: The UK loses control of its international policy
21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction 
25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020

So these are the outcomes that could happen:

1: The UK will become nothing more than a vassal protectorate state
2: With the continuation of freedom of movement, the population of the UK will continue to grow at a rate higher than pre-referendum level ranging between 400,000 to 675,000 per annum. 
2.1; Which will result in not just wage suppression but even wage depression. 
2.2; More than 500,000 new homes to be built annually (We are currently only managing 125,000)
2.3; House prices and rents will skyrocket annually by 23%
2.4; Class sizes in schools would have to increase by 50% if not even double 
2.5; The NHS will become solely an emergency service of care provider as they would no longer be able to cope with the numbers of people needing care other than those of emergency.
2.6; GP’s will become triage centres
2.7; Public transport will become permit holders use only
2.8; Only those that did a serious crime namely murder will be given a custodial sentence
2.9; The Court system becomes fully overrun to the point extreme cases only being heard and the rest being given an automatic fine
2.10; Emergency services collapsing for not being able to cope with the scale of things
2.11; Social care becoming solely private social care for those who can afford it.
2.12; Homelessness to increase by over 28% annually
2.13; Unemployment to increase annually by 37%
2.14; The Benefit system to collapse fully to the point of the return of soup kitchens and even workhouse existence
2.15; Crime to increase by over 59% annually
2.16; Shanty towns to become the norm standard of housing
3: Because the UK would no longer be able to make its own trade deals, nor control its tariffs or quotas, Food prices would increase by over 25% and the cost of living would go up by over 39%
4: Because the UK would lose its oil and gas rights it would also lose the revenue from taxation on them, resulting in a loss of over 600 billion per year in taxation revenue
5: Because the UK will become a member state its percentage share of the vote on any new laws, regulations, treaties and everything else is at current member numbers 3.57% of the vote. That’s right folks the UK say in the EU if it was to remain a member is 3.57% total

That,s what you call a real Project Fear!

This should be posted everywhere, but there will always be some thick t**** who will not have the wit to understand it.
Just like turkeys voting for Christmas.

[oowee]

So much hogwash on here. What sort of wet dream fantasy do some people conjure up for themselves re the EU.

When the former Eastern European States joined they agreed greater flexibilities around immigration share than that for existing members. 

Also lets not forget Cameron's agreement from the EU to opt out of ever closer union.

Fact not fiction pls. 

[Scully]

It ain’t gonna happen; it appears to me we are being increasingly softened up for another referendum. Top of the news this morning. 

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

So much hogwash on here. What sort of wet dream fantasy do some people conjure up for themselves re the EU.

When the former Eastern European States joined they agreed greater flexibilities around immigration share than that for existing members. 

Also lets not forget Cameron's agreement from the EU to opt out of ever closer union.

Fact not fiction pls. 

Best tell that to Poland and Hungary then, that the EU wont be sanctioning them for not taking their share of Merkels Million.

Which is a complete waste of time and effort anyway, because once they all get a nice shiny EU passport, they can go where the hell they like.
And theres nothing anyone can do to stop them.
Its called freedom of movement I believe.

[pinfireman]

This is not hogwash..........one of the financial world,s leading credit agencies! With more inside knowledge than all the "experts" on here !

Ratings agency DBRS has warned that the UK’s AAA rating could be at risk from a Brexit deal that separates Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK. The ratings agency confirmed its rating for the UK at AAA with a ‘Stable Trend’, but noted that “significant uncertainty remains over different regulatory and customs regimes between Northern Ireland and the mainland, and how this might impact the UK” and warns that the “longer-term constitutional integrity of the UK is important to [the UK’s] AAA sovereign rating.” The backstop will put this at risk…

Interestingly, the agency is less concerned about the impact of no deal on the UK’s rating, saying that it “acknowledges some degree of event risk associated with such a scenario, but it expects a broadly appropriate and timely policy response from the UK and the EU to any resulting economic or financial turmoil”. No deal is manageable if the Government takes sensible steps to respond to it, the backstop is not…

 

On 15/12/2018 at 19:43, Bazooka Joe said:

 

I'm not, I've posted this before, this was supposed to happen immediately after the Brexit vote in 2016

The start of Project Fear -1

Cretin Osbournes Emergency Budget.
Recession.
£4k down per household.
Scotland leave the UK
Back of the queue.
Planes grounded.
Economic meltdown after referendum.
The city ceasing to exist.
Large scale unemployment.
Bank of england-technical recession-http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/05/bank-england-admits-michael-fish-moment-dire-brexit-predictions/
And best of all........WW3...

Correct! and what actually happened?  NOTHING! It was all garbage!

On 15/12/2018 at 20:10, Retsdon said:

Cameron and Blair, the two worst Prime Ministers since - God knows when. Blair because he thought that with devolution he was going to cunningly gerrymander permanent Labour power in Scotland and Wales. But he was too stupid to understand that Wales and Scotland had overwhelming Labour majorities precisely because  power was in Westminster, and when that power was devolved to Holyrood and Cardiff it was like Christmas for the Nats who said thank you very much and reduced the Celtic Labour majority to a rump. The upshot is a perpetual Conservative government. And it's immaterial if you support the Tories or not, because every government needs a credible opposition  to keep it honest. Otherwise you end up with a shower of chancers like the lot now.

And then came along Cameron, who first came within a whisker of smashing the union with Scotland. Not satisfied with that, he then went on to have a referendum on EU membership without any plan whatsoever on anybody's part as to what to do if he got the answer he wasn't expecting. And he held his referendum, not for the good of the country, but to try and silence a minority within his own party.  And now the country is more divided than it's been for at least a hundred years or more, and nobody is any the wiser as to what lies over the horizon. If might all be OK, but on the other hand it might well not be and Britain could be headed into the abyss. Nobody knows.

Between the two of them they've almost torn the country to pieces. You could hardly make it up.

He held a Referendum to silence UKIP! They had swept the board in the EU elections, and were growing at an alarming rate in the UK.....and several tory MPs were showing an interest in joing them. That is what frightened Cameron !

On 15/12/2018 at 20:47, besty57 said:

You forgot to mention Gordon Brown,

and the idiot, Major!

[pinfireman]

15 hours ago, Danger-Mouse said:

Now we have "Brexit - The Movie"!

No seriously, starring Benedict Cumberbatch.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/benedict-cumberbatch-brexit-hbo-trailer-769578/

I,ll bet 50 to 1 it,s biased, bigoted and funded by Remoaners!

[Rewulf]

3 hours ago, Jaymo said:

Once again, it’s a piece of Journalism and not ‘fact’ and has never been placed into legislation 

Enlargement of the eurozone

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

 

Jump to navigationJump to search

Andorra

Bulgaria

Croatia

Czech Rep.

Denmark

Eurozone

Hungary

Kosovo

Monaco

Montenegro

Poland

Romania

San Marino

Sweden

United
Kingdom

Vatican

  Eurozone

  ERM II

  Other EU members

  Monetary agreement

  Unilaterally adopted

The enlargement of the eurozone is an ongoing process within the European Union (EU). All member states of the European Union, except Denmark and the United Kingdom which negotiated opt-outs from the provisions, are obliged to adopt the euro as their sole currency once they meet the criteria, which include: complying with the debt and deficit criteria outlined by the Stability and Growth Pact, keeping inflation and long-term governmental interest rates below certain reference values, stabilising their currency's exchange rate versus the euro by participating in the European Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM II), and ensuring that their national laws comply with the ECB statute, ESCB statute and articles 130+131 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. The obligation for EU member states to adopt the euro was first outlined by article 109.1j of the Maastricht Treaty of 1992, which became binding on all new member states by the terms of their treaties of accession.

[pinfireman]

14 hours ago, Dave-G said:

Can I copy and paste this elsewhere please?

Yes, you can!  It,s time a lot of people woke up to what will happen to this country, if the unDemocratic Remoaners get their way!

12 hours ago, Dave-G said:

Just a thought but I've put my tin hat on: Bearing in mind us plebs now know about the EU army: Does anyone think our prime ministers could have been threatened regarding the pending EU army and may have even been warned 'become part of it or fight it' and are playing it safe but won't say so because would have little chance of winning that war now our heavy machinery capacity has been all but stripped from us? 

The following is snipped from Cameron's speech two days before the referendum: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-brexit-latest-live-david-cameron-full-speech-remain-leave-a7093426.html

Quote:

"And it’s also about our national security, too.

"My first responsibility is to keep you safe.

"Some of the most important moments behind that door are when you’re reading the intelligence reports…

"…taking in the most chilling details about those who are planning to do us harm.

"My job is to act. To make the right call. To use every tool at my disposal to protect our country, to protect you, to protect your children.

"I would not be standing here, encouraging you to vote to remain in the EU, if I thought the EU stopped me from doing that.

"The reality is the opposite. Our membership of the EU helps me.

"I’ve seen first-hand, in these dangerous times, how we can better cooperate with our friends and neighbours.

"How we can share information, track terrorists down and bring them to justice.

"How, alongside key allies like the French and the Germans, we’re more effective at facing down threats and keeping people safe.

I’ve seen it time and again – at a very practical level – that we’re safer in Europe than out on our own. 

"Being a member of the European Union also gives us strength in the world.

"We aren’t any old country. We’re a special country – one whose language, whose values, whose influence is felt the world over.

 

"If I felt that remaining in the European Union diminished us, I would recommend that we voted to leave.

"But it doesn’t. It amplifies our power.

"When we’re in these organisations, we become an even bigger force in the world, with a bigger influence in the world.

 

Excellent!

12 hours ago, Jaymo said:

You might need to check the facts, that’s exactly the same ‘could happen’ scenario type projection that your dead set against if anyone quotes a ‘Project fear’ projection that the brexiteers On here instantly ‘rubbish’ 🙂

If you purely repeat without checking the facts, then that’s where the blurred lines between fact n fiction come from.

Some of it might be real, but do you know or do you wish to quote regardless because it sounds plausible?

When you do the research, it pretty much is all real!

12 hours ago, panoma1 said:

Where did this come from? Can you provide a link?

It came from one of the contributors on the Guido Fawkes forum, a place I would heartily recommend you visit. 

[pinfireman]

12 hours ago, Dave-G said:

Yep - had a look into it and found some doubts about its provenance. 

Check out all the assertions by doing the research, and using archives....yes, some of these may well be exggerated, but for the most part, true!

12 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

hello, i see Mr Bair was spouting on about a second referendum again, 

You have to feel sorry for him.......................he cannot find another ILLEGAL WAR to start!

3 hours ago, Jaymo said:

Once again, it’s a piece of Journalism and not ‘fact’ and has never been placed into legislation 

Remember the same applies for laws , a request from the EU to adopt a certain policy is just that and not made mandatory by an individual member state- so if it’s energy saving bulbs etc then of course we vote/agree to go along with it, but in other matters we haven’t.

We have always had the right to set our own laws 

NOT where the EU are concerned! And remember, the EU Court has the right to over-rule the British Court!

2 hours ago, oowee said:

So much hogwash on here. What sort of wet dream fantasy do some people conjure up for themselves re the EU.

When the former Eastern European States joined they agreed greater flexibilities around immigration share than that for existing members. 

Also lets not forget Cameron's agreement from the EU to opt out of ever closer union.

Fact not fiction pls. 

The former Warsaw Pact states voted to allow a greater rate of immigration...................No wonder! They did NOT have any immigrants prior to joing the EU...............we did, France did,  Lots of them!

[pinfireman]

22 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Best tell that to Poland and Hungary then, that the EU wont be sanctioning them for not taking their share of Merkels Million.

Which is a complete waste of time and effort anyway, because once they all get a nice shiny EU passport, they can go where the hell they like.
And theres nothing anyone can do to stop them.
Its called freedom of movement I believe.

Correct!

14 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Enlargement of the eurozone

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

 

Jump to navigationJump to search

Andorra

Bulgaria

Croatia

Czech Rep.

Denmark

Eurozone

Hungary

Kosovo

Monaco

Montenegro

Poland

Romania

San Marino

Sweden

United
Kingdom

Vatican

  Eurozone

  ERM II

  Other EU members

  Monetary agreement

  Unilaterally adopted

The enlargement of the eurozone is an ongoing process within the European Union (EU). All member states of the European Union, except Denmark and the United Kingdom which negotiated opt-outs from the provisions, are obliged to adopt the euro as their sole currency once they meet the criteria, which include: complying with the debt and deficit criteria outlined by the Stability and Growth Pact, keeping inflation and long-term governmental interest rates below certain reference values, stabilising their currency's exchange rate versus the euro by participating in the European Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM II), and ensuring that their national laws comply with the ECB statute, ESCB statute and articles 130+131 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. The obligation for EU member states to adopt the euro was first outlined by article 109.1j of the Maastricht Treaty of 1992, which became binding on all new member states by the terms of their treaties of accession.

Exactly!

[Danger-Mouse]

3 hours ago, Jaymo said:

Once again, it’s a piece of Journalism and not ‘fact’ and has never been placed into legislation 

 

Like the journalistic pieces about a European army that prior to the referendum the establishment said was never going to happen?

[Danger-Mouse]

58 minutes ago, pinfireman said:

I,ll bet 50 to 1 it,s biased, bigoted and funded by Remoaners!

A HBO film made in partnership with the BBC and CH4. I don't think I'll be taking your bet.

The only real question is will Dominic Cummings have horns and a forked tail, or maybe just a subtle 666 hidden in his hairline.

Edited December 17, 2018 by Danger-Mouse

[Jaymo]

36 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Enlargement of the eurozone

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

 

Jump to navigationJump to search

Andorra

Bulgaria

Croatia

Czech Rep.

Denmark

Eurozone

Hungary

Kosovo

Monaco

Montenegro

Poland

Romania

San Marino

Sweden

United
Kingdom

Vatican

  Eurozone

  ERM II

  Other EU members

  Monetary agreement

  Unilaterally adopted

The enlargement of the eurozone is an ongoing process within the European Union (EU). All member states of the European Union, except Denmark and the United Kingdom which negotiated opt-outs from the provisions, are obliged to adopt the euro as their sole currency once they meet the criteria, which include: complying with the debt and deficit criteria outlined by the Stability and Growth Pact, keeping inflation and long-term governmental interest rates below certain reference values, stabilising their currency's exchange rate versus the euro by participating in the European Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM II), and ensuring that their national laws comply with the ECB statute, ESCB statute and articles 130+131 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. The obligation for EU member states to adopt the euro was first outlined by article 109.1j of the Maastricht Treaty of 1992, which became binding on all new member states by the terms of their treaties of accession.

It’s Wikipedia- anyone is able to edit an entry or did you not know this- it’s as reliable as the input provided or that alibi the bloke on Jeremy Kyle gave!!!!

Unless you read and digest an official Government/ EU document yourself, then we should really take brexit/remain facts with the proverbial pinch of salt.

 

15 minutes ago, Danger-Mouse said:

Like the journalistic pieces about a European army that prior to the referendum the establishment said was never going to happen?

Has this been ratified and formally agreed on? Nope, didn’t think so - I have a wish List for Santa Claus but I’m sure that I won’t be getting anything on it except for the reindeer poop.....

33 minutes ago, pinfireman said:

Check out all the assertions by doing the research, and using archives....yes, some of these may well be exggerated, but for the most part, true!

You have to feel sorry for him.......................he cannot find another ILLEGAL WAR to start!

NOT where the EU are concerned! And remember, the EU Court has the right to over-rule the British Court!

The former Warsaw Pact states voted to allow a greater rate of immigration...................No wonder! They did NOT have any immigrants prior to joing the EU...............we did, France did,  Lots of them!

No Immigrants???? Love to know where you get your info from ? Beano or Dandy possibly.......

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22 minutes ago, Jaymo said:

It’s Wikipedia- anyone is able to edit an entry or did you not know this- it’s as reliable as the input provided or that alibi the bloke on Jeremy Kyle gave!!!!

Ah , so youre saying that the wiki reference isnt true ?
So someone made this up , and the mods didnt notice it ?
So its completely false that the EU requires member states to adopt the euro as per my link ?

Do I really have to provide you a link  directly from the Europa.com website to make you believe it ?