Raja Clavata Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Good reply. 40 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: Ah yes - a full list of the promises of all the political parties of the left at the last general election. That's actually not a very accurate statement though, is it, not that I'm defending the left mind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said: it was obvious to him that the EU were never going to cede us a good deal. Finally something we agree on. Many on this very thread have also said that we never expected the EU to give us a good deal. But would you believe it. According to Steve Baker we was indeed offered a FTA, which the remainer May turned down. Edited May 31, 2019 by Newbie to this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, pinfireman said: Then clearly, they must all be facists? Facists of the Left? It,s a very similar manifesto that Lenin put out.............. https://www.abc.net.au/religion/nazism-socialism-and-the-falsification-of-history/10214302 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html%3famp https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian Or maybe they were socialists? Pre ww2 the left and right wing used to be a clock face. You didn't want to be between 630 and 635 as your were extreme left or right. They are minutes apart and most can't tell the difference in their effect but there is little between them. Churchill wanted to form a government that included the left, the problem was they were socialists and we were at war with the national socialists. The solution was to call one labour and the other Nazi and all was well. Over time the clock face went and became wings. Whether it's the extreme right or the extreme left, we don't want them in power. Bad things will happen and that's a fact. The left can also be fascist, this is not revered just for the right although the left wont like that. The problem I feel, in this country at this time, is that the view from overtons window is so far left that anything centre or heaven forbid centre right is viewed as extreme. This needs adjustment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonker Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 I've only scanned this thread over time, and it's obvious people's feelings and opinions run high. My 2p's worth is that all along those that voted remain kept telling us we didn't know what we were voting for. So now, three years down the line, we have been well and truly told that we got it wrong and we need another people's vote. So now we know what we are voting for, I still think the only two choices on the paper should be Leave or remain. I don't think that they should try and water down the leave vote with leave with a deal or leave on WTO. Mind you, we have already voted and I don't think there should be another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 1 hour ago, tonker said: I've only scanned this thread over time, and it's obvious people's feelings and opinions run high. My 2p's worth is that all along those that voted remain kept telling us we didn't know what we were voting for. So now, three years down the line, we have been well and truly told that we got it wrong and we need another people's vote. So now we know what we are voting for, I still think the only two choices on the paper should be Leave or remain. I don't think that they should try and water down the leave vote with leave with a deal or leave on WTO. Mind you, we have already voted and I don't think there should be another. Good man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 There is absolutely no point having s rerun of the same vote as 2016, the point of a further vote is to provide clarity and a path to resolution of this whole mess, one way or the other. In the end we’ll get by with or without Brexit but we can’t go on like this for much longer. In other news it’s reported that Trump backs BoJo, remains to be seen if that aids or hinders his cause. For some people that’s akin to Katie Hopkins getting behind Brexit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 This morning the Bracknell Conservative Association voted overwhelmingly to de-select their MP, Dr Phillip Lee! That,s 3 down, and loads more to go! Democracy in action, something that has been in very short supply in Westminster! So that,s Lee, Grieve, Wollaston and Soubry gone at next Election. Focus is now on Greening, Rudd, Morgan and Soames! As the dominoes fall, it will focus the minds of those MPs,....allegiance to the Brussels mafia, with subsequent unemployment, or a sudden and dramatic change of heart to LEAVE! Over to Guido Fawkes "The second referendum backing Tory MP has so alienated members of his constituency association that he didn’t even turn up at the Bracknell Conservative Association’s Special General Meeting. Unsurprisingly they voted that they had no confidence in Philip Lee. Contemptible cowardice or arrogance from the man who had “Philip Lee, Great British Hero” posters printed. Perhaps both." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 That rather stupid comment is in very poor taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 I have no words for the reply to my last post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 18 hours ago, Gordon R said: That rather stupid comment is in very poor taste. You are right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 Just watching politics live on BBC 2 , American lass is holding her own well, labour MP saying they don't want to deal with Trump, shouldn't be a state visit, and its just said Corbyn Cable and Bercow won't attend state dinner?? So labour want to deal with USA but not trump, not sure lib dem count and how did Bercow get an invite in the first place? Also said Mayor of London SK has had a pop at Trump?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Mice! said: labour MP saying they don't want to deal with Trump, shouldn't be a state visit, and its just said Corbyn Cable and Bercow won't attend state dinner Whether you happen to like Donald Trump's personal style and character or not, we are welcoming (and I mean welcoming) the President of the United States, elected leader of our long term friend and ally. I welcome the President. Labour (Corbyn, Nugee/Thornberry etc.) and the other oppositions members invited but declined have shown themselves up for what they are - a party of bias, anti our allies, full of negativity and prejudice. If they ever come to power we will have their type of 'friends' - Venezeula, Democratic Peoples Republic of (i.e. North) Korea, Hamas, Democratic Peoples Republic of Congo and the other useless lefty isolationists and failed states that their brand of Marxist based 'socialism' causes. Bercow is a pompous little man with a hugely over inflated ego. You only have to watch his grossy overacted theatrics in the commons to see how he operates. Cable is simply a sour and senile old fool. Made a complete mess of what he did when in office as business secretary (like the Post Office privatisation) and only joined Liberals as he stood no chance as a Labour prospective MP (which he was originally) as - in those days anyway - labour had better candidates. Frankly - President Trump has not missed anyone worth seeing in that lot anyway. Edited June 3, 2019 by JohnfromUK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 That's the thing, surely they are cutting their noses off to spite their faces? Our closest allie, coming here then going to a memorial for D-day, lots of business talk going on. They can't expect to be taken seriously if there not willing to meet and deal with the President of the United States of America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 Just now, Mice! said: They can't expect to be taken seriously if there not willing to meet and deal with the President of the United States of America. I think you will find that outside the UK they are a laughing stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringDon Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 56 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: Whether you happen to like Donald Trump's personal style and character or not, we are welcoming (and I mean welcoming) the President of the United States, elected leader of our long term friend and ally. I welcome the President. <snip> Frankly - President Trump has not missed anyone worth seeing in that lot anyway. ^ this very muchly. Salute the rank (or office) not the man. That said, I often wonder whether the White House staff are sometimes desperate to wrestle the phone from the president’s hand when he starts up Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 He tweets it as he sees it......................not the usually lying stance of a career politician! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 Love or loathe Trump, Corbyn has proved beyond all reasonable doubt that he is not fit to take office. Not that many of us didn’t already know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 8 hours ago, Raja Clavata said: Love or loathe Trump, Corbyn has proved beyond all reasonable doubt that he is not fit to take office. Not that many of us didn’t already know that. Sadly, that does not seem to exclude them but is an essential qualification? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 6 hours ago, old man said: Sadly, that does not seem to exclude them but is an essential qualification? I seriously cannot get my head around it and it's not just Corbyn by the sound of things, very very short sighted in my opinion, particularly when you consider Corbyns history of meeting with conventional enemies of ours. Similarly with Khan, he could have embraced the visit and shown himself and London (the UK) in a much better light. I have empathy with a lot of the objections people have on Trump and IMHO it's fair cop for the public to go out and show their disdain at his presence but people in public office / positions of authority have certain protocols and standards to uphold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 22 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: I seriously cannot get my head around it and it's not just Corbyn by the sound of things, very very short sighted in my opinion, particularly when you consider Corbyns history of meeting with conventional enemies of ours. Similarly with Khan, he could have embraced the visit and shown himself and London (the UK) in a much better light. I have empathy with a lot of the objections people have on Trump and IMHO it's fair cop for the public to go out and show their disdain at his presence but people in public office / positions of authority have certain protocols and standards to uphold. Dereliction of duty, it is the post you are meeting not the person. By not turning up you effectively show what a muppet you are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said: Dereliction of duty, it is the post you are meeting not the person. By not turning up you effectively show what a muppet you are! Indeed, good job we have a functioning Monarchy eh, well OK, a functioning Queen at least... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 Yes Auntie Liz is good value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 Blimey, that was a shock, glad I finished my lunch an hour and a half ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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