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And leads us back to ask if TR is so concerned about children being raped, the vast majority of offenders are white then he should be highlighting this too, but it doesn't support his agenda.

1 hour ago, PIL1 said:

 

Watch it Henry, then come back and report your views, instead of going on what msm and people opposed to him tell you.

I have, all you have is his POV how is that balanced? Go read the articles I have linked and you will see that his view is distorted and that he received money from Quilliam

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3 hours ago, henry d said:

And leads us back to ask if TR is so concerned about children being raped, the vast majority of offenders are white then he should be highlighting this too, but it doesn't support his agenda.

I have, all you have is his POV how is that balanced? Go read the articles I have linked and you will see that his view is distorted and that he received money from Quilliam

Surly there will be transcripts for the trial? If there are any lies  that he's told these will transpire! 

It would be handy if someone knew where to get a copy? 

Yeah, I read your links, I must say hurriedly. 

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And leads us back to ask if TR is so concerned about children being raped, the vast majority of offenders are white then he should be highlighting this too, but it doesn't support his agenda.

hendry d - you appear to be ignoring the percentage. There are far more non Asian people than Asian, so you would expect there to be more offenders. In the world of grooming gangs,  the ethnicity of the offenders is higher for Asians per capita.

However, I agree that Tommy Robinson seems to ignore white offenders and does concentrate on Asians. If they were less prolific, he would have less to criticise.

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The problem still remains, somewhere between the high 80 to 100% of paedophiles outwith grooming gangs are white, they are the uncles, the brothers, family friends and that is how they get to groom children for their sexual kicks. Their numbers far outweigh all the gangs (both black/Asian/white and unknown/other) who predate on vulnerable young people, and that is another crucial point in the argument against TR's rabid attacks on the Muslim/Asian community.

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Gordon - ISTM that due to the fact that they own fast outlets that YP use as social space, they are in a position to identify those who are likely to be vulnerable. When I did a lot of (detached youth work) street based youth work we used to check out the late night kebab/chicken/chippy establishments as a matter of course. YP would congregate in them, usually after a skinfull, to keep warm and get something to eat. 

To be honest I can't think of one of those places that had white people behind the counter, and that is why it was easy for those vulnerable young girls to be preyed upon and why it was disproportionately Asian people doing the grooming. No Muslim rape gangs, just paedophiles that found a new modus operandi, it is interesting to see a few white faces among the guilty too, particularly in Newcastle. Finally, and at risk of repetition, the vast majority of paedophiles are British white males.

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I think we’re straying a bit. Isn’t the entire point TR is or was trying to make, more to do with the fact that the Asian grooming gangs ( whether they are in a minority or majority ) were allowed to prosper to such an extent because of a fear by those in authority, and best placed to do something about it, of being tarred with the racist brush? Isn’t that what this is all about? 

It is more than a little annoying to be honest, if true, because it would seem that we are reluctant to learn lessons, given the history of white male predators from every walk of life whom were allowed to get away with it due to a reluctance for whatever reason, of people to speak out. 

Time and time again we learn that ‘all it takes for evil to prosper is for good men ( and women ) to do nothing.’ We are constantly and relentlessly reminded of this on an almost daily basis, but never seem to heed it nor learn from it. I despair at times. 

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Firstly I don`t have full knowledge of the facts and have not followed Tommy`s quests  but I understand amongst other things he exposed mainly people with a Pakistani heritage and who also were  also predominantly followers of the Muslim faith. 

So to add some balance then can the arguers against him who label him a racist find evidence of large gangs that  are of an English heritage and are Christian

If you find evidence then could you please express the figures you have with regards to the Demographic for the figures.

Now as we are talking gangs and as I understand things your figures should only include those that collectively in organised groups intentionally seek and by methods including drugs , alcohol and unlawful imprisonment detain and systematically gang rape these poor individuals.

Also please find figures regarding the race of the victims and include them showing what percentage should also be considered as racially motivated.

Again I don`t know the answers but I would bet that the figures are heavily biased towards people with Pakistani heritage and who are also Muslims are doing unthinkable things to our young English Christian girls. 

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Scully- I also despair. Historically there was a group called PIE (paedophile information exchange) who advocated for no legal age of consent. We also had high profile people who got away with abusing vulnerable children, and I was genuinely shocked to read an article about queer theory and how some people who push it to the extreme are also advocating for no/low age of consent. It is not new, it will come around again, because some people will abuse the vulnerable, all it needs is the opportunity for it to happen, whether it is a creepy uncle babysitting or the chippy/kebab shop owner.

Sportsbob, scutt - see the links in my posts and have a read.

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9 hours ago, Gordon R said:

henry - so why are so many grooming gangs of Asian ethnicity?

Its not about their ethnicity in these high profile cases, they hit the headlines because of  the techniques they used and the girls they targeted. The common denominator running through several of these stories appears to be that virtually all of the perpetrators were minicab drivers. That's how they came into contact with the girls.

Maybe we should be looking at properly regulating the minicab trade instead. The cab company at the centre of the Rotherham case lost its licence but appealed and got its licence re-instated very quickly.

But the investigation threw up a lot of other things as well that never got to court. Systematic benefit fraud, tax evasion, uninsured or not properly insured vehicles. The authorities just slammed the lid closed on all of that. They were already getting accused of conducting a witch hunt.

I'm sure its all still going on, only now they are more careful about filtering out the younger girls. Basically as long as the girls are over 16 the authorities will turn a blind eye  

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The "Vast majority" is a simple head count. As I understand the statistics - put simply - if there were equal numbers of non-white and white people in the UK population, then the non-whites would have more offenders. As Scully and sportsbob say, we were not discussing overall numbers of paedophiles, but the numbers and ethnicity of those in grooming gangs. 

Those not in a gang are as bad as those in one, but you can't deny the truth of Tommy Robinson's crusade, by pointing out that there are many paedophiles who are not in a grooming gang. He concentrates on the Asian aspect and that it why people slate him. They question his motives, as do I, but is he lying?

Vince - I agree about the methodology. There is a piece on Rochdale grooming gangs in the Mail. i am sure some will say this is an ex-Policewoman trying to sell a book, but that would be incorrect and a bit silly.

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There is also the very believable aspect to the reluctance by authorities to publicise Asian ( or whatever non white christian ) grooming gangs, and another reason for them to clamp down on high profile exposure such as that by TR, and that is one of a fear of him and others inciting civil unrest. 

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I worked nights 11pm until 7am for 12 years in and around Newcastle and believe me the only other traffic late on other than taxis was cars with Asian men riding up and down and stopping or slowing down when  they came close to a women not outside a chicken house or kabab outlet but as the women walked along the street a well know topic of discussion among folk who worked nights.

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14 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

The "Vast majority" is a simple head count. As I understand the statistics - put simply - if there were equal numbers of non-white and white people in the UK population, then the non-whites would have more offenders. As Scully and sportsbob say, we were not discussing overall numbers of paedophiles, but the numbers and ethnicity of those in grooming gangs. 

Those not in a gang are as bad as those in one, but you can't deny the truth of Tommy Robinson's crusade, by pointing out that there are many paedophiles who are not in a grooming gang. He concentrates on the Asian aspect and that it why people slate him. They question his motives, as do I, but is he lying?

Vince - I agree about the methodology. There is a piece on Rochdale grooming gangs in the Mail. i am sure some will say this is an ex-Policewoman trying to sell a book, but that would be incorrect and a bit silly.

Tommy`s motive is he says his cousin was a victim of such a gang, I imagine many other people would also act as he has given these circumstances.

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24 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

But the investigation threw up a lot of other things as well that never got to court. Systematic benefit fraud, tax evasion, uninsured or not properly insured vehicles. The authorities just slammed the lid closed on all of that. They were already getting accused of conducting a witch hunt.

Some time back I had a young Asian driver firmly bury a car in the back of my Escort MK5, he drove off at speed with steam and bits flying off everywhere but I easily kept up with him until he stopped and disappeared into a nearby house.  The person that came out with the paperwork was much older so I made him aware that if thing did not go smoothly I would report him for leaving the scene. Fortunately we stopped outside some shops and the butcher came out with a cleaver in his hand and said he would be my witness  that the lad got out and ran inside. To this day I don`t know if it was the lad or his father who actually rented and was insured in the car.

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4 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

TBH I’m a bit confused why we are abstracting to Asian here and not being specific?

Genuine question.

Not being specific keeps you out of trouble.

As you well know.

2 hours ago, Gordon R said:

Sorry - I don't accept it is a genuine question. Perhaps you could be more specific, as you appear to be trying to make a point.

Excellent reply.

 

2 hours ago, henry d said:

Gordon - ISTM that due to the fact that they own fast outlets that YP use as social space, they are in a position to identify those who are likely to be vulnerable. When I did a lot of (detached youth work) street based youth work we used to check out the late night kebab/chicken/chippy establishments as a matter of course. YP would congregate in them, usually after a skinfull, to keep warm and get something to eat. 

To be honest I can't think of one of those places that had white people behind the counter, and that is why it was easy for those vulnerable young girls to be preyed upon and why it was disproportionately Asian people doing the grooming. No Muslim rape gangs, just paedophiles that found a new modus operandi, it is interesting to see a few white faces among the guilty too, particularly in Newcastle. Finally, and at risk of repetition, the vast majority of paedophiles are British white males.

So you agree that in the TR case, and when it comes to grooming gangs they are predominantly Asian ?
But that doesnt matter because a few of them were white too, and because 80 % of the country is white, most paedos are white ?

 

2 hours ago, Scully said:

I think we’re straying a bit. Isn’t the entire point TR is or was trying to make, more to do with the fact that the Asian grooming gangs ( whether they are in a minority or majority ) were allowed to prosper to such an extent because of a fear by those in authority, and best placed to do something about it, of being tarred with the racist brush? Isn’t that what this is all about? 

Exactly.
Some people trying to deflect away from this, because it offends their 'liberal values'

 

1 hour ago, Scully said:

There is also the very believable aspect to the reluctance by authorities to publicise Asian ( or whatever non white christian ) grooming gangs, and another reason for them to clamp down on high profile exposure such as that by TR, and that is one of a fear of him and others inciting civil unrest. 

Again, spot on.

If the powers that be didnt come down on TR hard, they would feel the full wrath of the bleeding hearts.

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Ok, after a good search I can find only one report (apart from far right groups) of grooming in Scotland, it concerned a single girl in Glasgow, yet there is a large population of Asians in all the other large centres, Edinburgh, Dundee, Aberdeen...

So why is it not happening here?

3 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

He has been given 9 months.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48950672

So Trump won`t be giving him asylum then?

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So why is it not happening here?

henry d - it may well be happening, but it is hushed up. I have spent some time in Glasgow and Edinburgh and have to say that I saw few people of Asian extraction, compared to Bradford, Rochdale and Blackburn for example.

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