ShootingEgg Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-48893048 18 months of harassment, confronted and used riding crop against anti and gets put into court and charged. Why are sabs allowed to harras to breaking point then this happens!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted July 6, 2019 Report Share Posted July 6, 2019 He is guilty, he should face the consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted July 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 8 hours ago, ordnance said: He is guilty, he should face the consequences. Not disputing it, but.. It should not of been allowed to go that far surely. 18 months of harassment. Where was the warnings or action against masked idiots 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) Should get a couple of years .bet he will not do it again .diserves what he gets Edited July 7, 2019 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 I would be surprised if he goes to prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbyduck Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 Ms Groling was wearing a chest camera and blowing an antique hunting horn ! now don't get me wrong here but she was out to stir up trouble ,the Guy should not have struck her ! but that's what she want him to do so she could film and take him to court ! she as goaded him into this stupid attack . my take on it .thats all DD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 31 minutes ago, Gordon R said: I would be surprised if he goes to prison. Provided the linked news report is accurate, then, yep, agreed. What would appear to be against the poor hard done by woman is the fact (as reported) that there was no indication/report/ suggestion that the Hunt was doing anything illegal and consequently she was interfering with folk going about their perfectly legal activity and in a law court a mountain can be very quickly be reduced back to the molehill it always was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 This was nothing to do with Hunting in any form - it was pure "Class War" and a hate campaign on the part of the "Sabs" and the police should be treating it as this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) It's about time our police took action against these so called Sabs, monitors whatever, everyone knows they are there purely to disrupt, interfere with, intimidate, provoke retaliation and bait the participants.........why? Because they are jealous, hate "Toffs" and fancy themselves as urban guerrillas, fighting against the establishment. Peaceful protest on public land and freedom of speak and to express ones opinion is one thing, but direct action, verbal or physical, on private land, towards people going about their lawful business should be stopped! How much personal verbal insult and deliberate provocation directed at you, could you stand before you did something about it? Edited July 7, 2019 by panoma1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 I know you guys are getting tired of my questions but was this on public land? I assume the hunter has permission to be there. Plus would harassing a mans dogs for months on end not be illegal in its self? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted July 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 3 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said: I know you guys are getting tired of my questions but was this on public land? I assume the hunter has permission to be there. Plus would harassing a mans dogs for months on end not be illegal in its self? This is the issue, the anti and sab brigade get away with turning up face covered, hurling abuse at hunters and disrupting and confusing the hunt, 9 times out of 10 the antis are why foxes get caught, they flush them into the hounds or draw hounds to the hidden fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 4 hours ago, panoma1 said: It's about time our police took action against these so called Sabs, monitors whatever, everyone knows they are there purely to disrupt, interfere with, intimidate, provoke retaliation and bait the participants.........why? Because they are jealous, hate "Toffs" and fancy themselves as urban guerrillas, fighting against the establishment. Peaceful protest on public land and freedom of speak and to express ones opinion is one thing, but direct action, verbal or physical, on private land, towards people going about their lawful business should be stopped! How much personal verbal insult and deliberate provocation directed at you, could you stand before you did something about it? +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 I agree about the sabs. The cowardly bunch turn up wearing masks, clearly intending to cause trouble and intimidate. It is high time the law was enforced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 Been going on for years, rent a mob, usually squatters picked up from around towns and driven out to hunt meets, they get paid for the day. You can spot them a mile away and smell them within a half mile, had a few run-ins with them over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 4 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said: I know you guys are getting tired of my questions but was this on public land? I assume the hunter has permission to be there. Plus would harassing a mans dogs for months on end not be illegal in its self? This is foxhunting mainly huntsmen/huntswomen on horseback (there are some footfollowers) with a pack of hounds NBI, I think there's a difference with public land in the US, and public land in the UK? Nearly all land in the UK (99%?) is privately owned....public land includes roads, footpaths, parks etc and land owned by the local authority! Foxhunting takes place on privately owned land, usually at the invitation of the landowner! These Anachist, Hunt Saboteurs, chase after the hunt, on foot across private land, they are often masked and record everything on bodycams or camcorders, they deliberately impede, shout insults, and try to disrupt the hunt, in order to get a reaction....then they use the footage to claim assault against the hunters!.....the police, even if they're present, do nothing!....it's a bloody national disgrace! And no we don't get tired of your questions.......if we do, no one will answer! Lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 The (ex) Labour M.P. for Derby North, Chris Williamson, used to be a hunt saboteur. I remember him at one hunt at Elvaston Castle some time around 1969/1972. He was throwing marbles under horse’s hooves trying to unseat riders. Nice man.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 40 minutes ago, panoma1 said: This is foxhunting mainly huntsmen/huntswomen on horseback (there are some footfollowers) with a pack of hounds NBI, I think there's a difference with public land in the US, and public land in the UK? Nearly all land in the UK (99%?) is privately owned....public land includes roads, footpaths, parks etc and land owned by the local authority! Foxhunting takes place on privately owned land, usually at the invitation of the landowner! These Anachist, Hunt Saboteurs, chase after the hunt, on foot across private land, they are often masked and record everything on bodycams or camcorders, they deliberately impede, shout insults, and try to disrupt the hunt, in order to get a reaction....then they use the footage to claim assault against the hunters!.....the police, even if they're present, do nothing!....it's a bloody national disgrace! And no we don't get tired of your questions.......if we do, no one will answer! Lol! So my question is if the land is private why are they not charged with trespassing? The hunters have a right to be there. If someone comes on my private property wearing a mask and disrupted my hunt I would call the police. ( not really, I would deal with it myself but for the sake of a public forum I would call the police) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 Trespass is a civil matter, not criminal. Police would not take any action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 But the police would take action against you "if you dealt with it yourself"......which would probably lead to you losing your gun licence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Swinton said: Should get a couple of years .bet he will not do it again .diserves what he gets +1 This guy together with the other hunt master that was caught throwing a fox cub into a pack of hounds are not doing field sports any favours Edited July 7, 2019 by blackbird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 33 minutes ago, panoma1 said: But the police would take action against you "if you dealt with it yourself"......which would probably lead to you losing your gun licence! Could the hunt not act under “breach of the peace” and make a citizens arrest? In England and Wales, constables (or other persons) are permitted to arrest a person to "prevent a further breach of the peace" which allows for the police or the public to arrest a person before a breach of the peace has occurred. This is permitted when it is reasonable to believe, should the person remain, that they would continue with their course of conduct and that a Breach of the Peace would occur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 1 minute ago, old'un said: Could the hunt not act under “breach of the peace” and make a citizens arrest? In England and Wales, constables (or other persons) are permitted to arrest a person to "prevent a further breach of the peace" which allows for the police or the public to arrest a person before a breach of the peace has occurred. This is permitted when it is reasonable to believe, should the person remain, that they would continue with their course of conduct and that a Breach of the Peace would occur. You could get yourself into a lot of bother trying to make a citizens arrest, great in theory but you could end up being the one arrested by the police for assault etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 In that case why don’t the police use the law of civil disorder against these people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Trespass is a civil matter, not criminal. Police would not take any action. But they are doing more than trespass, they are committing Aggravated Trespass which is a criminal offence and the police should act and arrest them. It's all in the link below. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/33/section/68 Edit - I believe the land owner or a direct representative has to ask them to leave. Edited July 7, 2019 by Newbie to this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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