Jump to content
JohnfromUK

Labour looking into grouse shooting

Recommended Posts

If Labour are worried about enviromental damage why dont they look into fishfarming that has been and is  a continuing disaster for the wild salmon and seatrout in the west coast for the past 30+ years

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, aberisle said:

If Labour are worried about enviromental damage why dont they look into fishfarming that has been and is  a continuing disaster for the wild salmon and seatrout in the west coast for the past 30+ years

It has nothing to do with the environment but everything to do with war on  perceived Class

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Yellow Bear said:

It has nothing to do with the environment but everything to do with war on  perceived Class

Exactly.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said:

It has nothing to do with the environment but everything to do with war on  perceived Class

This. Nothing new, just fighting the class hatred from a different angle. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If the quotes from the shadow environment loony are any pointer, she has already made up her mind!.......making any review a pre decided Stitchup!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Yellow Bear said:

It has nothing to do with the environment but everything to do with war on  perceived Class

 

1 hour ago, Scully said:

This. Nothing new, just fighting the class hatred from a different angle. 

excactly....nuff said...............the sad thing is ....there is so much hate out there now compared to 40-50 years ago  why????

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, ditchman said:

there is so much hate out there now compared to 40-50 years ago  why????

Politicians promoting hate;

MacDonnell wanting to 'lynch' Liz Truss, some Labour left promoting 'bash a tory', Corbyn supporting people who aim to achieve their ends by terrorism.

The current 'hard left' factions that have hijacked the traditional Labour party are the same ilk as the Animal Lib, Hunt Sab lot - who are quite happy with hate and violence.

There is a similar situation on the 'hard right' with some of the supporters of the self styled 'Tommy Robinson'.

In my view, the reason the hard left and right have gained ground is the morally vacuous empty headed, wishy washy, snowflake 'liberal' middle (recent tory leadership in both Cameron and May can hardly be called right) - with whom many have become disillusioned.  I hope that Johnson can bring back some 'common sense right' politics that is driven by a desire for a decent country, prosperous, caring of the genuinely needy, tough on the criminals and scroungers, lawful and orderly in which to live, not one fuelled by hate and 'class' separation.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, ditchman said:

 

excactly....nuff said...............the sad thing is ....there is so much hate out there now compared to 40-50 years ago  why????

Simon , because they have no life of there own , no interests in life . So it becomes there goal to spoil others lives . Law bidding people out doing what they enjoy . Spending there hard earned  money . Keeping people in work . Looking after the environment  for the generations to come . I think it all boils down to one word " jealously " . Thats just my take on it .

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
29 minutes ago, johnphilip said:

Simon , because they have no life of there own , no interests in life . So it becomes there goal to spoil others lives . Law bidding people out doing what they enjoy . Spending there hard earned  money . Keeping people in work . Looking after the environment  for the generations to come . I think it all boils down to one word " jealously " . Thats just my take on it .

i think you are right ...........it is down to a form of jealously ..........i could go on at lenghth on this topic but i wont.........really the last posts have summed it up .

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The Ban Grouse Shooting comes arround on the 12th every year, it seems to have more clout this year because of Packham and Avery.  The rubbish spouted by the Labour spokesman has nothing to do with the countryside at all, it is looking for anything to promote Labour at the next election.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As Vine has just said on R2, regarding Labour and grouse shooting; 'Shouldn't posh people be able to have fun now and then?' 🙂

Up for discussion on his slot this aft'. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, butchdickason said:

The Ban Grouse Shooting comes arround on the 12th every year, it seems to have more clout this year because of Packham and Avery.  The rubbish spouted by the Labour spokesman has nothing to do with the countryside at all, it is looking for anything to promote Labour at the next election.

Spot on, all the Politicians have gone into election mode. Field sport knocking is a vote winner as I don't think that the majority of the general public approve, Bojo is banging on about getting tough on crime today another attempt to win over voters. Quite frankly none of it will happen. If you're a toff or a criminal don't think anything will change.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

once again it the setting against the city folk against the country folk..........they always hit on us as the city tends to be the breeding ground of socialist ideaology and the bread basket of the labour movement...........and the left wing politicians ignite the imaginary "jealously" knowing full well the countryside hasnt the clout to respond.........

Edited by ditchman

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

Politicians promoting hate;

MacDonnell wanting to 'lynch' Liz Truss, some Labour left promoting 'bash a tory', Corbyn supporting people who aim to achieve their ends by terrorism.

The current 'hard left' factions that have hijacked the traditional Labour party are the same ilk as the Animal Lib, Hunt Sab lot - who are quite happy with hate and violence.

There is a similar situation on the 'hard right' with some of the supporters of the self styled 'Tommy Robinson'.

In my view, the reason the hard left and right have gained ground is the morally vacuous empty headed, wishy washy, snowflake 'liberal' middle (recent tory leadership in both Cameron and May can hardly be called right) - with whom many have become disillusioned.  I hope that Johnson can bring back some 'common sense right' politics that is driven by a desire for a decent country, prosperous, caring of the genuinely needy, tough on the criminals and scroungers, lawful and orderly in which to live, not one fuelled by hate and 'class' separation.

Totally agree with you there,we now need a leader who can return some standards to the way the country is run and the way that the public behave towards one another.

Law and order need to be supported and toughened up ,but that must apply to those with and without equally.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

Image may contain: text

Just a heads up for anyone interested in in swearing at the tv set for while.

Edited by aga man

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

No matter what party is in power but I am 100% certain in 15-20yrs time game shooting & gun ownership along with fishing will be a thing of the past.

Edited by blackbird

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks for the heads up.

Overall, I thought it went quite well; we’re always going to be starting from a position of catch up, especially with the build up prior to the interview, which was presented from the point of view of minds already being made up.

The programme showed some of us in an alarmingly bad light, but well done BASC, spokesman gave as good as he got in the face of an increasingly emotive Packham. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes Ian Danby from BASC remained calm in disputing Packhams claims.....whereas I felt Packham struggled to remain unemotional and soon began slinging his usual unsubstantiated allegations into the mix and exaggerating wildly as the interview went on, even raising the number of creatures killed by keepers, on grouse moors, from his starting point of thousands to........"possibly millions"....but the whole report prior the the interview with Packham and Danby was from an anti shooting perspective........nice to see, in the vid a gun take a nice crosser with some style though !lol!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Our opponents have re-discovered the methods once used in colonising Africa, Australia and North America.   Keep shouting out the message that the natives are intellectually inferior, and their way of life is immoral, then introduce legislation to repress them and damage the local economy, and eventually you get control of all their land.

 

Want to get take over the territory occupied by the native Americans?   Simple – shoot all the buffalo, and you quickly destroy their economy and their entire way of life.

 

Want to take over big swathes of northern England and Scotland?   Get rid of most of the grouse and deer, and watch the estates go bankrupt.

 

Desmond Tutu put it succinctly:   'When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land.   They said "Let us pray."   We closed our eyes.   When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land.'

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

The whole report prior as you say panoma1 was utterly one sided - they gave around 15 seconds to the  keeper and the other 7:30 to every other anti.

 

That being said the illegal killing of raptors is happening. I believe it to be on a small scale but it only takes a few bad eggs to spoil the reputation of the rest. I do think the calls for shared responsibility and conviction of grouse moor owners and managers in these cases to be a logical sense - I would imagine the few rogue keepers doing it do so at the request or as a response to pressure from again from a select few., why else risk prison and damage to the fieldsports communities reputation.

I hope some good will come out of the current situation. Also - well done to Ian Danby, it takes some big brass balls to sit there and face off against a media pro, hats off to you my friend.

Edited by Papercase
crappy spelling !

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I also thought Ian Danby was right to suggest, instead of arguing and making claims and counter claims, all party's should work together to resolve any issues! Of course Packham et al won't accept, because they don't really want to resolve "issues" for the good of conservation!........It doesn't suit their real agenda!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Papercase said:

Can anyone please explain to me why grouse moors would trap Hedgehogs

They don't but the antis have to blame something to cover Badger predation that they won't admit to

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

With all the things going on in this country at the moment and Labour, the Party officially in opposition (believe it or not) comes up with "we are going to ban grouse shooting??

Well that means they have skipped the first several hundred more important they ought to be talking about but aren't, because they haven't got a clue what to say.

Channel 4 should recognise this as a tactical cop out, an engineered distraction to divert attention away from more pressing issues. 

Edited by Vince Green

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...