Retsdon Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 I'm looking for advice. I want to start taking bird and wildlife pictures. As far as 'real' photography goes I'm a complete novice, but I have plenty of time on my hands to put in some study and groundwork and hope eventually to at least take half-decent pictures. My question (and I know it's a bit how-long-is-a-piece-of-stringish!) is what should I be be looking for in terms of cameras, lenses, etc ? I'm aware that initially any camera at all will probably do more than I'm capable of asking it to do, but nevertheless I'd like something that I won't feel the urge to upgrade as soon as I've learned to use it properly. Any good book suggestions would be appreciated too. Anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 I shall be interested in responses as I want to do more of this. I use a Nikon DSLR d40x 10mbp for general landscape photography and I have recently added a 150-600 zoom lense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 GREENGRASS is your man, he takes some cracking pictures...https://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/390736-milvus-milvus/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinj Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 So many decisions to make:- https://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/tag/wildlife-photography https://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/tag/wildlife-photography https://www.picturecorrect.com/tips/wildlife-photography-exposure/ Read all you can on the subject. If you are going for a DSLR buy a Nikon or Canon (market leaders) with the best telephoto lens you can afford, the lens is more important (and probably costs more) than the camera. Fast lenses are worth paying for, "kit" lenses (which usually come with the camera,) generally give disappointing results if you want to take top quality photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 Personally i use a Canon 7D with a 150-600 mm sigma lens, the 7D is fast which is an advantage for wildlife pics and also a crop sensor. If i had the cash i would be looking at the Canon 1DX mk2 and a Canon 600 mm lens but i need to rob a bank first. https://store.canon.co.uk/canon-ef-600mm-f-4l-is-iii-usm-lens/3329C005/ https://store.canon.co.uk/canon-eos-1d-x-mark-ii-body/0931C009/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) As has been said .the most important part will be the lens .a cheaper body with nice upgraded zoom lens will be best . Id personally be looking at a nikon d5500 or d5600 .these are a mid range nikon apsc sensor camera .plenty of features and can take rapid fire shots of around 5 frames per second (which will be very useful on moving birds .) The lens - id look at probably a nikon or sigma (nikon compatible obvs.) Zoom something like an 18-300 mm f 3.5 - .5.6 . This should get you into the action and fill the frame but not cost the earth of a fixed f.4 or more magnification . You can always add a 1.4x teleconvertor for a bit more reach later if needed. Make sure you get a vr version lens too. (Vr = vibration reduction ) The other option of course is a bridge camera .these use a smaller sensor and struggle a bit in lower light ,but then birds fly in the day sooo. The zoom range of them is MASSIVE .and will blow you away how far you can pull objects into frame . If your really only gonna put the pics on screens or for sharing or even small ish prints up to a4 then the bridge camera route is a great all in one option (lighter and cheaper too . Id go with a nikon p900 or b500 / b700 . These are out going models but really good .the later p1000 is huge and the b600 lower speced then the first 2 above . Dont forget to look at sh stuff on gumtree etc . Ps im a nikon fanboy .obviously Edited August 21, 2019 by Ultrastu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobbyathome Posted August 22, 2019 Report Share Posted August 22, 2019 depending on your budget canon 5d takes some beating obviously the mk 4 is the latest and best but it is expensive secondhand mk2 and mk3 are affordable and still great picture takers as before its the lens that costs you the better the lens the better the picture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinj Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) On 21/08/2019 at 19:32, Ultrastu said: Ps im a nikon fanboy .obviously Me too, obviously! there is a lot of (pointless) rivalry between Canon and Nikon owners. Deciding which way to go is a big decision because you'll be buying kit for one or the other for the rest of your natural born days. Edited August 23, 2019 by martinj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 Yep exactly . I still use nikon lenses from 30 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 When choosing between Nikon and canon I went by the feel of the camera comparing equivalent specifications. I went with Nikon as it felt more comfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 (edited) Here is a wee spuggie shot with a 1000 mm mirror lens in my Nikon d5600. This is an old lens and had to manual focus and i had to work out F stop and shutter speed . The original shot was 12 meg . I have had to compress it to get it on here . This was about 50 yards away . Edited August 24, 2019 by johnphilip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringDon Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 I know nothing of cameras so good luck with your efforts but I can’t believe nobody raised a snigger at the thread’s title; what is wrong with people today? If that’s not worth an “ooo err, missus”, I don’t know what is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benthejockey Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 You'll get some real bargains secondhand. The wife got a good Nikon set up with loads of lenses and batteries and other bits for £150. The girl had bought it all new with ambitions of being a photographer but realised it was hard so stuck it all in a drawer for 2 years until Mrs BTJ bought it a month ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgy dave Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 1 hour ago, SpringDon said: I know nothing of cameras so good luck with your efforts but I can’t believe nobody raised a snigger at the thread’s title; what is wrong with people today? If that’s not worth an “ooo err, missus”, I don’t know what is. yep defo worth an ooo are missus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmaxphil Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 Don't forget with long lenses you will need a good tripod one that can do low level and be high enough for you plus look into a remote trigger for complete stability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 On 21/08/2019 at 12:39, Retsdon said: I'm looking for advice. I want to start taking bird and wildlife pictures. As far as 'real' photography goes I'm a complete novice, but I have plenty of time on my hands to put in some study and groundwork and hope eventually to at least take half-decent pictures. My question (and I know it's a bit how-long-is-a-piece-of-stringish!) is what should I be be looking for in terms of cameras, lenses, etc ? I'm aware that initially any camera at all will probably do more than I'm capable of asking it to do, but nevertheless I'd like something that I won't feel the urge to upgrade as soon as I've learned to use it properly. Any good book suggestions would be appreciated too. Anyone? Have you thought of a course? I have seen (can't remember where, but may have been my local county nature conservation trust) wildlife photography courses advertised. Modern cameras are technically very very good, but have so many 'bells and whistles' it is hard for the layman to really make the best of the kit unless some training has been taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 Well I have waited and decided to comment. It matters not whether you go down the Nikon or Canon route, once you have made your decision, you invariably stick with it. Glass is what makes the difference. The more you spend the better! Second hand is definitely the way forward for the beginner. Prime or zoom either will be useful. If you are using your camera gear for wildlife photography you will need to be able to use a fast shutter speed to help prevent blurred shots. You will need a good tripod and head to assist you in taking pinsharp shots. A remote release would be a sound investment. Practice, practice, practice in the back garden, the local park anywhere that gets you using the camera and lens in combination and learning what works and what doesn't. By all means start by using the automatic settings on your camera, but learn from what it is doing and stretch the envelope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted August 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 Thanks very much to everyone for all the replies. There's lots of food for thought there and I've been looking up some of the suggestions for cameras, lenses, etc. OK, here are my tentative conclusions. 1) Spend most of the budget on a suitable lens / lenses. ( I think this is not in dispute) 2) I am possibly better off buying an older full frame sensor camera than a more recent crop frame model. 3) Buy a Nikon or Canon for availability of lenses, accessories,etc. At the moment though, we're still in the back end of summer here and it's 45+C outside (and humid to boot) - so not really the weather for outdoor leisure pursuits! So in the meantime I plan on trying to learn a bit more about how cameras actually work. To that end I've ordered Bryan Peterson's Understanding Exposure book, and I think it's probably sensible to work my way a bit further up the learning curve with my current camera (a Fujijfilm X-M1) before going mad and spending a small fortune. But like I say, thanks very much again for all the input. It's been really helpful in giving me a direction to go in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 Ok first were is your location , do you wish to shoot just still , or stills and video . If stills then Nikon . if stills and video then Canon . Canon has the edge on the video side . Becarefull buying secondhand as cameras have a live span and that is down to shutter count . A pro one could have had a lot of work and high shutter count . If you thinking full frame then hold of abit , i belive Nikon have something new coming out . Yes prime lens will alway be better than any zoom . Older lens are amazing for image quality , but wont work , without you having to manual focus , and some you would have to work you shutter speed and apature out aswell . With a say 50 mm prime lens its amazing how much you can zoom in on the photo and save as an enlargements. I will try and find two photos to show you , but remember any pictures posted on here are not as good as the original . Due to the loss in file size . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 My camera is a Nikon d5600 , love it . I got a 50mm 1.8g . Dx lens to try new around £ 140 . The quality is amazing , two pictures of same thing but zoom in on photo and made another picture . It just shows with even a 50 mm lens what you could also get out of a picture . It wont let me upload another picture for some reason . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 Try again lol.ah it works . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted August 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 Nice pictures John. I'd forgotten about cropping! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) I had a Canon 400d for about ten years loved it , but was not doing much to busy other things , then i had a small Stroke . To help me get back out i started taking pictures again . And wanted to try a better camera , read up on the Nikon d5600 , and splashed out . The first pictures even with the lens that came with it blew me away . But i want to see how good a prime lens could be . And i was not let down . Its an outstanding lens . We can post pictures on here , but due to image size of 3 meg , they loose a lot .on the bigger picture every little seed of the grass realy stands out . Edited August 26, 2019 by johnphilip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinj Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 On 26/08/2019 at 11:20, johnphilip said: My camera is a Nikon d5600 , love it . I got a 50mm 1.8g . Dx lens to try new around £ 140 . The quality is amazing , two pictures of same thing but zoom in on photo and made another picture . It just shows with even a 50 mm lens what you could also get out of a picture . The 50mm f1.8 "standard" lens is often underrated and could well be the best lens you will ever own. (Not much use for birds though.) The quality is outstanding and price is cheap because they sell huge quantities. Nobody mentioned software, You need something installed on your computer for enhancing your images, Nikon will supply something with the camera which is good and has its uses but you might want to go for Photoshop or Photoshop Elements which is a lite version and is good enough for the amateur. I often use ACDSEE Photo Studio Professional after receiving an offer of a £10 purchase - incredible value!. If you download the trial version they will flood you with offers. I have been a great fan for many years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 On my tablet I use Snapseed , it free , love it . I used it on this to create a bit more sky . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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