Jaymo Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, Retsdon said: Sure. But the problem is that domains are almost exclusively tribal. I could show you the contents of a comment section of random national newspaper and without being told you'd know after reading a dozen comments which newspaper it belonged to. And it doesn't matter which paper it is, I'll almost guarantee that the vast majority of the comments will be negative. It might be the way things just are nowadays, but it's not healthy. We’ve become critical of everything and everyone and unsupportive of anything unless it’s serves one’s own benefit. Confrontation is a daily occurrence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 31 minutes ago, Jaymo said: And vice versa also applies. Lets face it, we should agree to disagree and close the thread down. It’s been going around in circles, more times than the hands on Big Ben! Don't agree the thread should be shut down, but your right about it going round and round, you just have to ignore it. the next month could be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Nuke said: There is quite a lot of shouting/bullying to try and intimidate people from contributing, you need to dare to post your meaning for it to be heard in the first place. /M On PW? I can’t imagine why anyone would be fearful of posting what they mean on an Internet forum, unless it’s illegal or similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Retsdon said: Sure. But the problem is that domains are almost exclusively tribal. I could show you the contents of a comment section of random national newspaper and without being told you'd know after reading a dozen comments which newspaper it belonged to. And it doesn't matter which paper it is, I'll almost guarantee that the vast majority of the comments will be negative. It might be the way things just are nowadays, but it's not healthy. But the thing is, negative or positive, your voice still gets heard, unless the domain employs censorship of course. Positive or negative depends on ones point of view; I regard views of remainers as negative, whereas they will view mine as negative. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 5 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Bun Fight at the OK Corral, it is a showdown, will the remainers and the NoDealers combine to stop Brexit completely or will Boris get his way and fulfil the democratic wishes of the majority? Who blinks first? Remainer MP's, the vast majority of 'No Leave without a deal' MP's and the vast majority of 'second referendum/people's vote' MP's......have the same agenda! To stop Brexit!....but they ain't got the balls to admit it!........ Not just traitors but cowards as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 I think the people’s revolution hasn’t quite reached Norwich yet. Outside City Hall is at most 80 people with a couple of Anti-democracy signs. I get the feeling the rest of us are a bit fed up of the situation and can’t really be bothered either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 6 hours ago, Nuke said: Just like on PW then. /M I have seen it as well, the point is that UK is no better/worse then anybody else. /M Farming in the UK is streets ahead of the rest of the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 On 30/08/2019 at 14:32, henry d said: I am not a firm nor do I have a pile of cash however I booked a holiday to Mallorca in early 2016 and bought a shed load of euros as we were intending to go again in mid autumn the best exchange rate I could get was 1-30 (and a bit) to the £. Then in June 2016, a week before we left, it all fell apart. Today I would get 1-08 (MSE best rate). Fortunately or unfortunately, I have 400E left from back then and have to rely on a credit card if we spend that in October. Henry, we didn,t Leave w week before June 2016, we were still running up to the Referendum. As I recall, the then Chancellor, George Osborne, backed by the rest of the Remain crowd, said that we would drop to parity with the Euro and the dollar, within a month of voting Leave...and that there would be mass migration, and mass unemployment as well. That did NOT happen. he pound dropped against both currencies, but to nothing like that forecast! The reason was simple, the financial markets do not like uncertainty, but it then remained fairly steady, until the Remain MPs in Westminster voted her Deal down...more uncertainty. One of my daughters friends is in a senior position in the Treasury Dept of one of Britains largest companies, with millions of £,s on a daily basis. The current thinking there is that within 3 years, the £ will be trading again at around the same level as it was in May 2016. Give or take a point or two. And that is based on both Brexit, or no Brexit! 18 hours ago, sportsbob said: Nothing I said was offensive or a personal insult. It seems the answer to my question is still a resounding NO Are you sure? I seem to recall being on the receiving end of one of them...... 7 hours ago, Retsdon said: The politicians will probably ignore us – as they usually do – but they can't say they haven't been told. Can't argue with this bit.. ...." Comment sites have become the domain of mob rule and the death of reasoned discourse. " Do you think that includes this site, and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 7 hours ago, Scully said: Really? On this site and every other social domain, each person gets a voice and can put across their point ( rightly or wrongly ) without interruption. Everyone has a voice. That is becoming less common in public debates such as TV or radio, or indeed in public, where the aggressor will, can and does, interrupt, and shout over their opponents to stifle their opinions. How very true! 6 hours ago, Nuke said: There is quite a lot of shouting/bullying to try and intimidate people from contributing, you need to dare to post your meaning for it to be heard in the first place. /M Shouting and bullying? Really? Do tell, give specifics? 5 hours ago, Jaymo said: And vice versa also applies. Lets face it, we should agree to disagree and close the thread down. It’s been going around in circles, more times than the hands on Big Ben! Why? Just when we come up to the most interesting period in politics in years, you want to shut down free speech? Strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 5 hours ago, Retsdon said: Sure. But the problem is that domains are almost exclusively tribal. I could show you the contents of a comment section of random national newspaper and without being told you'd know after reading a dozen comments which newspaper it belonged to. And it doesn't matter which paper it is, I'll almost guarantee that the vast majority of the comments will be negative. It might be the way things just are nowadays, but it's not healthy. What you fail to mention, is that the editor of the newspaper in question will have weeded out those he does not want his readers to see. On nforums on the net, like P/W, this does not happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 Hi Pinfire Where did I comment towards you ? Bellow are the relevant comments from this thread On 29/08/2019 at 10:52, oowee said: You can google and then ignore them as fake news and project fear. I said So as neither yourself or one of you fellow vote loosers can't offer any evidence of such a claim it it fair to assume the answer is NO. henry d said One brexit debate gets pulled for name calling and getting personal with insults; what don`t you understand about that? I Said Nothing I said was offensive or a personal insult. It seems the answer to my question is still a resounding NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 Quote There is quite a lot of shouting I must have missed it. As you obviously have seen it, could you point me in the right direction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 8 hours ago, Scully said: 😂 It truly beggars belief! I can't figure out if they're just thick, or just blinkered in their campaign, or just arrogantly believe that they are right and everyone else is wrong, so their hypocrisy doesn't matter. It genuinely baffles me! Surely it just demonstrates some level of intelligence, this makes us the laughing stock of the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 8 hours ago, Vince Green said: Like a petulant child who can get its own way they just scream louder and stamp their feet harder I noticed yesterday that Corbyn was calling for civil disobedience. It didn't take long for his mask to slip. Same old Communist agitator at heart If proven, that surely would constitute an arrestable offence or does that only apply to the behaviour of the lower orders? 8 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: I think there is a genuine tendency among today's youth to believe Democracy means 'getting your own way'. Like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted August 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 17 minutes ago, old man said: If proven, that surely would constitute an arrestable offence or does that only apply to the behaviour of the lower orders? A number of the Labour 'great and good' including Abbott, Chakrabati, Corbyn, McDonnell, and two non MP types called Michael Chessum and Laura Parker, both of whom are Momentum 'hard left' activists have called for various forms of civil disobedience, bringing cities to standstill etc. The police will do nothing, so in effect they are above the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 8 hours ago, Jaymo said: And vice versa also applies. Lets face it, we should agree to disagree and close the thread down. It’s been going around in circles, more times than the hands on Big Ben! Why do think the thread should be closed down? If you feel it's content is stagnant or pointless, then just don't read it or contribute. If we all agreed about Brexit, it would be pointless, I'm happy to listen to remain arguments, when they make sense, and I don't believe for one moment that it won't be a bumpy ride, but as long as it stays civil, ALL the various Brexit threads have been interesting. The remain politicians complain about prorogation because its shut down debate, but THEY want to shut down debate via suspending our legal government, and installing an unelected one to derail our leave date, and Brexit itself. Can you not see the hypocrisy in this? Please don't let this debate be a similar thing, where people wish to talk about it, but can't, because a few want to stifle it, because it's not going their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 Sounds as if the EU via the MEP's are getting involved! Looking at getting the suspension of parliament declared undemocratic (and overturned?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Nuke said: /M I'm sure there's a simple explanation but just so we know its not any kind of secret message, do please enlighten us about what your use of "/M" is all about. Edited August 31, 2019 by Dave-G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Rewulf said: Why do think the thread should be closed down? If you feel it's content is stagnant or pointless, then just don't read it or contribute. If we all agreed about Brexit, it would be pointless, I'm happy to listen to remain arguments, when they make sense, and I don't believe for one moment that it won't be a bumpy ride, but as long as it stays civil, ALL the various Brexit threads have been interesting. The remain politicians complain about prorogation because its shut down debate, but THEY want to shut down debate via suspending our legal government, and installing an unelected one to derail our leave date, and Brexit itself. Can you not see the hypocrisy in this? Please don't let this debate be a similar thing, where people wish to talk about it, but can't, because a few want to stifle it, because it's not going their way. My thoughts were no matter what is written by either side, there will never be an acceptance from either side So this thread has now like the other, turned into a pure Brexit thread with the same points/ arguments from both sides being constantly regurgitated. Why continue on? Is it so that when / if it happens or not, that one side can berate the other and say “told you so” or such like Yes, I could not read the thread but where’s the fun in that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouser Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 7 hours ago, Jaymo said: My thoughts were no matter what is written by either side, there will never be an acceptance from either side So this thread has now like the other, turned into a pure Brexit thread with the same points/ arguments from both sides being constantly regurgitated. Why continue on? Is it so that when / if it happens or not, that one side can berate the other and say “told you so” or such like Yes, I could not read the thread but where’s the fun in that! I think its called freedom of speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 Oh Jaymo, all getting too much for your liberal sensibilities? Debate, discussion, interaction, all done politely, gives views from both sides. An interesting article; https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019/08/having-abandoned-plans-for-an-emergency-government-corbyn-seeks-refuge-in-cooper-letwin.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Saturday 31st August 2019&utm_content=Saturday 31st August 2019+CID_86fdc2e95f6212a6530ddc32314e3273&utm_source=Daily Email&utm_term=Having abandoned plans for an emergency government Corbyn seeks refuge in Cooper-Letwin Labour have abandoned plans to stage a vote of no confidence in Boris Johnson’s ministry when the Commons returns from recess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncher Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 I read a article that any Tory that votes against the government will be deselect at the next election,so unable to stand. That will worry some of them.😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, muncher said: I read a article that any Tory that votes against the government will be deselect at the next election,so unable to stand. That will worry some of them.😀 hello, i am sure some MPs have already been deselected but i would put this out to any MP going against the democratic vote of leaving the UK, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, muncher said: I read a article that any Tory that votes against the government will be deselect at the next election,so unable to stand. That will worry some of them.😀 This has already happened to many Lieboor MPs who do not full toe the left wing "momentum" line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 hour ago, muncher said: I read a article that any Tory that votes against the government will be deselect at the next election,so unable to stand. That will worry some of them.😀 I'd support that moral if its only those whose electorate voted to leave, but feel it would be wrong if their electorate voted remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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