TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, JRDS said: Dominic Grieve then, lets be serious they are 11 rabid Remainers. They may well be so, but it will never change their judgement as there is nothing above them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: They may well be so, but it will never change their judgement as there is nothing above them! for a few weeks there is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestonSalop Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 Please don't think for one minute that a Corbyn government would in any way resemble the Blair government. Blair wasn't in the least bit socialist compared with the Labour governments of the seventies and eighties. Corbyn wants to go back to those dark days and worse. I voted remain and have since changed my mind purely because of the democratic principle at stake. We need to get out, ASAP and then hope to god that the Tories can prevent a Corbyn GE victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, WestonSalop said: Please don't think for one minute that a Corbyn government would in any way resemble the Blair government. Blair wasn't in the least bit socialist compared with the Labour governments of the seventies and eighties. Corbyn wants to go back to those dark days and worse. I voted remain and have since changed my mind purely because of the democratic principle at stake. We need to get out, ASAP and then hope to god that the Tories can prevent a Corbyn GE victory. My situation exactly as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, WestonSalop said: Please don't think for one minute that a Corbyn government would in any way resemble the Blair government. Blair wasn't in the least bit socialist compared with the Labour governments of the seventies and eighties. Corbyn wants to go back to those dark days and worse. I voted remain and have since changed my mind purely because of the democratic principle at stake. We need to get out, ASAP and then hope to god that the Tories can prevent a Corbyn GE victory. Amen to that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, JRDS said: Dominic Grieve then, lets be serious they are 11 rabid Remainers. There is plenty of information out there on who the 11 are and clearly that are not all Remainers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 If Corbyn get the pm job, this country is done for decades. He will ruin it, free everything for those that don't work and tax like the sheriff of Nottingham the ones that do work. Man's an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 Just a thought....if we leave does it mean I can’t do the euro lottery anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, WestonSalop said: Please don't think for one minute that a Corbyn government would in any way resemble the Blair government. Blair wasn't in the least bit socialist compared with the Labour governments of the seventies and eighties. Corbyn wants to go back to those dark days and worse. I voted remain and have since changed my mind purely because of the democratic principle at stake. We need to get out, ASAP and then hope to god that the Tories can prevent a Corbyn GE victory. Well said sir 👌 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) Could we the pw massive just prorogue jeremy corbyn? Edited September 25, 2019 by cookoff013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 Quote I think the truth would be that he was misled to believe he could do it and then in turn he misled the Queen. All this stuff is new with no precedent. His bare faced lies to the public as to why he was closing parliament should be enough for his party to sack him. I agree, John Major should be kicked out of the Tory party for doing this. Boris is potentially the second person to do this, not the first. As for Boris, he took advice before doing it, from the Attorney General, who said it was lawful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, Gordon R said: As for Boris, he took advice before doing it, from the Attorney General, who said it was lawful. It was , until the supreme court judges decided it wasnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 59 minutes ago, Rewulf said: It was , until the supreme court judges decided it wasnt. Correct, it was only made unlawful after the judges decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 Is this a better to ask forgiveness than permission occasion? It wasn't illegal before but now it is?? Can't imagine Boris pulling a fast one on the Queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 Gordon Bennett! I presume there are some ambulances on standby in Westminster for all the high blood pressure being displayed within the chamber this morning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 Is everybody ready for this afternoon's session in the Commons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Is everybody ready for this afternoon's session in the Commons? heart pills on standby here.............and a few sick bags........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Gordon Bennett! I presume there are some ambulances on standby in Westminster for all the high blood pressure being displayed within the chamber this morning! If the leave/tory MPs have any sense, none of them will turn up. Then all the remainers can argue among themselves which is he best way to ignore the referendum result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Mice! said: Can't imagine Boris pulling a fast one on the Queen. The child is father of the man and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 Bercow has moved to expunge the record of prorogataion [sp] from Parliamentary records. The event now marked as a pause in Parliamentary process instead on the date it was announced. Am I the only one that now see's the door open for Boris to suspend Parliament for a second, albeit shorter, period? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 Absolutely brilliant speech from Geoffrey Cox today. https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-49827307/attorney-general-tells-mps-this-parliament-is-a-disgrace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, mick miller said: Bercow has moved to expunge the record of prorogataion [sp] from Parliamentary records. The event now marked as a pause in Parliamentary process instead on the date it was announced. Am I the only one that now see's the door open for Boris to suspend Parliament for a second, albeit shorter, period? someone mentioned he could do it again for the queen's speech, and get shut of Bercow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, mick miller said: Bercow has moved to expunge the record of prorogataion [sp] from Parliamentary records. The event now marked as a pause in Parliamentary process instead on the date it was announced. Am I the only one that now see's the door open for Boris to suspend Parliament for a second, albeit shorter, period? No, i pointed it out yesterday. He simply needs to record his reasons in writing before doing so, so that it is clear what the porogation is for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead eye alan Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 4 hours ago, WestonSalop said: Please don't think for one minute that a Corbyn government would in any way resemble the Blair government. Blair wasn't in the least bit socialist compared with the Labour governments of the seventies and eighties. Corbyn wants to go back to those dark days and worse. I voted remain and have since changed my mind purely because of the democratic principle at stake. We need to get out, ASAP and then hope to god that the Tories can prevent a Corbyn GE victory. I'm with you on that but a lib Democrat, SNP, labour coalition whould be even worse. What a shambles that would be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Mice! said: It wasn't illegal before but now it is?? I am not a lawyer, so this is simply a summary of what I have read Much of law is set in 'case law'. The actual written law tries to cover off most aspects, but often the things that get challenged and not clear in 'black and white'. In this case as I understand it - there was no written time limit on what was the maximum leagl length of time for which Parliament could be suspended by prorogation. The Attorney General took the view that it was legal - and though longer than usual, was really no different to usual. (In addition much of the time was 'party conference season' when they normally don't sit anyway). The actual additional time above the usual party conference break of 3 weeks was only a week or possibly two I believe. However - the prorogation was challenged (3 times in fact, once again by Gina Miller in the Supreme Court). One challenge was in a lower court in London, one (in Scotland). These produced a split result. Therefore an appeal was made to the Supreme Court (by Miller and others) and the Supreme court has decided that 5 weeks prorogation was too long and had 'political motives' preventing proper parliamentary scruting. This has now set 5 weeks as 'illegal' in 'case law' which now can be used as a law itself in any future cases - however shorter prorogations may not be illegal. So - in summary prorogation itself is legal and normal practice. - before the Supreme Court ruling - it was open to interpretation on what length might be 'excessive' and therefore illegal. - after the Supreme Court ruling it is now illegal at 5 weeks in length where this is for 'political' reasons of stopping parliamentary scrutiny. Bear in mind that both Major and Blair prorogued parliament to stop scrutiny (though for less time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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