BREXIT

[Rewulf]

Just now, oowee said:

20000 new cops  . Its another bread to the masses populist right wing unicorn policy.  You don't tackle a disease by treating a symptom. 

 

11 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

The problem with this type of opposition is they are opposing everything !
Boris says we are going to employ 20000 more cops and increase sentences to combat crime - Corbyn shrieks THATS NOT GOOD ENOUGH !

Case..rested.

[oowee]

Just now, Rewulf said:

Never mentioned Carney or the BOE did I  ?

 

Im all for a written constitution, a UK one, theres  a slight issue though...

It cant conflict with the Bill of Rights , which is unassailable .
We need to be completely free of EU laws, or there is obviously conflict there.
It needs a vote through parliament on its contents, THEN  it needs a national referendum with a minimum level affirmation value.

Think all thats possible, no me neither.

Yes it was in the quote you gave. 

The constitution could be written for the world we live in not one from the past.

1 minute ago, Rewulf said:

 

Case..rested.

He was right. 

[Capt Christopher Jones]

18 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

I really thought you were talking about our Corby there 🤣

 

Its called austerity, and its a direct result of tryin to reduce the considerable debts of the last labour government.
But lets not let facts get in the way of a good old tory bashing session.

The problem with this type of opposition is they are opposing everything !
Boris says we are going to employ 20000 more cops and increase sentences to combat crime - Corbyn shrieks THATS NOT GOOD ENOUGH !

And so on ...

Remind me,what is the current national debt per person, say, compared with 12 yrs ago

6 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

 

Case..rested.

Bozo`s predecessors sacked 20k Cops in the first place to save £s. I wonder what the Police pension burden is on the LAs to fund that 

Edited October 15, 2019 by Capt Christopher Jones

[oowee]

Funny or what

 

[Newbie to this]

21 minutes ago, oowee said:

He was right. 

Was he right when 10000 extra police officers was enough?

strange now it's 20000 it's not enough!

 

Edited October 15, 2019 by Newbie to this

[Rewulf]

10 minutes ago, oowee said:

The constitution could be written for the world we live in not one from the past.

Like the US one ? 
You cant just completely re write laws and traditions of the last 800 years, they were designed not to be tampered with, this is where the EU fails time and time again, trying to achieve some kind of supremacy without any mandate to do so WHATSOEVER ..
Trying to ride rough shod over national laws, via stealth and economic bullying, it wont work, its not working.

 

14 minutes ago, oowee said:

He was right. 

Hes never been right about anything in his life, rubbing shoulders with murderers, and subversive elements, an unfaithful 'servant' of the people, who decries our monarchy and hates his country, yet happy to get his hands on the salary it provides for him.
There is not a cat in hells chance of him ever leading this country, thats why he seeks to sneak in through the proverbial back door, like the snake he is.

 

14 minutes ago, Capt Christopher Jones said:

Remind me,what is the current national debt per person, say, compared with 12 yrs ago

Dont know and dont care, you think that will improve with Corbyn and Abbotcus at the helm ?

 

15 minutes ago, Capt Christopher Jones said:

Bozo`s predecessors sacked 20k Cops in the first place to save £s. I wonder what the Police pension burden is on the LAs to fund that 

Money had to saved somehow, now is the time to fix the issue of rising crime.
Except Corbyn says its a bad idea ?
You cant really win can you , labour decries lack of cops, Boris says we shall have more cops, labour says thats wrong.
If it was labour presenting the call for more cops , the luvvies would be in ecstasy at how great an idea that would be .

[discobob]

4 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

Was he right when 10000 extra police officers was enough?

strange now it's 20000 it's not enough!

 

He would say it was night time in the blazing sun if the government said it was daytime.

When will they learn that they are not there to disagree with the government on everything they say - they are there to make a better .....(fill in the blanks) for the country and the people.

 

[oowee]

4 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

Was he right when 10000 extra police officers was enough?

strange now it's 20000 it's not enough!

 

It's not the number of officers that matters. Although there is some doubt as to if 20k can be recruited so quickly. The officers cannot work in a vacuum. 

[Rewulf]

1 minute ago, discobob said:

He would say it was night time in the blazing sun if the government said it was daytime.

When will they learn that they are not there to disagree with the government on everything they say - they are there to make a better .....(fill in the blanks) for the country and the people.

Look at the front bench on the opposition side, there isnt a bean of common sense on there.

Just now, oowee said:

It's not the number of officers that matters

Oh ? What does matter then ?

 

1 minute ago, oowee said:

Although there is some doubt as to if 20k can be recruited so quickly.

I didnt see  a time frame ?
Maybe the mean streets of London could be a good training ground for them ?

 

2 minutes ago, oowee said:

The officers cannot work in a vacuum. 

No vacuum in Hackney ..Stratford , plenty going off, every night , innit !

[discobob]

2 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Look at the front bench on the opposition side, there isnt a bean of common sense on there.

TBH - I have always said that just the very nature of somebody wanting to be a politician should disbar them from the role - doubly applies with the career politicians that we have nowadays

[Rewulf]

1 minute ago, discobob said:

TBH - I have always said that just the very nature of somebody wanting to be a politician should disbar them from the role - doubly applies with the career politicians that we have nowadays

Completely agree.

[JohnfromUK]

11 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

labour says thats wrong

Diane Abbott was going to recruit 10,000 more and it was only going to cost 300,000 pounds - see here https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/may/02/diane-abbotts-error-filled-lbc-interview-on-police-funding-video

[Capt Christopher Jones]

13 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Like the US one ? 
You cant just completely re write laws and traditions of the last 800 years, they were designed not to be tampered with, this is where the EU fails time and time again, trying to achieve some kind of supremacy without any mandate to do so WHATSOEVER ..
Trying to ride rough shod over national laws, via stealth and economic bullying, it wont work, its not working.

 

Hes never been right about anything in his life, rubbing shoulders with murderers, and subversive elements, an unfaithful 'servant' of the people, who decries our monarchy and hates his country, yet happy to get his hands on the salary it provides for him.
There is not a cat in hells chance of him ever leading this country, thats why he seeks to sneak in through the proverbial back door, like the snake he is.

 

Dont know and dont care, you think that will improve with Corbyn and Abbotcus at the helm ?

 

Money had to saved somehow, now is the time to fix the issue of rising crime.
Except Corbyn says its a bad idea ?
You cant really win can you , labour decries lack of cops, Boris says we shall have more cops, labour says thats wrong.
If it was labour presenting the call for more cops , the luvvies would be in ecstasy at how great an idea that would be .

It cannot possibly be any worse, with Bozo money tree cropping every few days

[JohnfromUK]

6 minutes ago, discobob said:

just the very nature of somebody wanting to be a politician should disbar them from the role

Very true - and it is similar with managers;

Most people who want to be a manager make poor managers.  Most people who would make good managers don't want to be one - because they prefer to DO the work rather than manage it.  There is satisfaction in doing a good job (something present politicians have no experience of).

[discobob]

Just now, JohnfromUK said:

Very true - and it is similar with managers;

Most people who want to be a manager make poor managers.  Most people who would make good managers don't want to be one - because they prefer to DO the work rather than manage it.  There is satisfaction in doing a good job (something present politicians have no experience of).

👍

[oowee]

21 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Look at the front bench on the opposition side, there isnt a bean of common sense on there.

Oh ? What does matter then ?

 

I didnt see  a time frame ?
Maybe the mean streets of London could be a good training ground for them ?

 

No vacuum in Hackney ..Stratford , plenty going off, every night , innit !

Three years is the time frame. Police officers cannot work alone simples. A complete waste of money to recruit them in isolation. There may be gaps in provision that shud certainly be filled but they need the support of investment in education, social services, probation services, prison officers and so on and so on. The right wing voter of course only has ears for wielding the stick. 

 

7 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Very true - and it is similar with managers;

Most people who want to be a manager make poor managers.  Most people who would make good managers don't want to be one - because they prefer to DO the work rather than manage it.  There is satisfaction in doing a good job (something present politicians have no experience of).

 What is this thread lol.   More likely because they are unable to make the decisions required to be a manager. Most people 'doing the work'(whatever that is ) are likely to have no idea what management requires and have zero insight into the competing objectives that are often being juggled. 

Edited October 15, 2019 by oowee

[JohnfromUK]

2 minutes ago, oowee said:

What is this thread lol.   More likely because they are unable to make the decisions required to be a manager. Most people 'doing the work'(whatever that is ) are likely to have no idea what management requires and have zero insight into the competing objectives that are often being juggled.

As you rightly point out, we are going seriously off topic here - my fault.

"Most people 'doing the work' are likely to have no idea what management requires "  By no means always so - but I could just as easily say that many people managing have little idea of the actual job and it's complexities and challenges.

"competing objectives that are often being juggled" are something the work also often involes, and isn't confined to the management.

I will stop now because as has been said - this is right off topic!

[old'un]

21 minutes ago, Capt Christopher Jones said:

It cannot possibly be any worse, with Bozo money tree cropping every few days

True if Corbyn and Abbott are kept out of number 10.

[Rewulf]

15 minutes ago, Capt Christopher Jones said:

It cannot possibly be any worse

Oh it can, you better believe it can.

 

9 minutes ago, oowee said:

Three years is the time frame. Police officers cannot work alone simples. A complete waste of money to recruit them in isolation. There may be gaps in provision that shud certainly be filled but they need the support of investment in education, social services, probation services, prison officers and so on and so on. The right wing voter of course only has ears for wielding the stick. 

Who says theyre going to work alone ?
Have you seen the proposals for training these new cops ? Didnt think so.

They have been putting PCSOs on the beat with regular police for YEARS now, why cant they continue to do this with regular rookie cops, works in the States does it not ?

This is exactly what Im saying , a good proposal gets rubbished by the left before its barely left the mouth of the tory who uttered it..
Because its come from a tory !

Its immature and pathetic, and turns everyone away from the people who run this country , government AND opposition.

The main argument you get from labour about Brexit is an excellent example.
'We will not vote for any deal that threatens the safety of jobs, the economy, and workers rights'
Completely ignoring the fact that once we leave, those very factors are entirely back in the hands of the UK government, NOT the EU .

Once we have left, they can vote or attempt to block any item that threatens those factors.
Who knows, if they get rid of Steptoe and the Abbott , and give it 10 years for everyone to forget about it , they might one day get back into power, then they can have another referendum if they like.

[Capt Christopher Jones]

6 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Oh it can, you better believe it can.

 

Who says theyre going to work alone ?
Have you seen the proposals for training these new cops ? Didnt think so.

They have been putting PCSOs on the beat with regular police for YEARS now, why cant they continue to do this with regular rookie cops, works in the States does it not ?

This is exactly what Im saying , a good proposal gets rubbished by the left before its barely left the mouth of the tory who uttered it..
Because its come from a tory !

Its immature and pathetic, and turns everyone away from the people who run this country , government AND opposition.

The main argument you get from labour about Brexit is an excellent example.
'We will not vote for any deal that threatens the safety of jobs, the economy, and workers rights'
Completely ignoring the fact that once we leave, those very factors are entirely back in the hands of the UK government, NOT the EU .

Once we have left, they can vote or attempt to block any item that threatens those factors.
Who knows, if they get rid of Steptoe and the Abbott , and give it 10 years for everyone to forget about it , they might one day get back into power, then they can have another referendum if they like.

Now answer the previous question > Remind me,what is the current national debt per person, say, compared with 12 yrs ago

1 minute ago, Capt Christopher Jones said:

Now answer the previous question > Remind me,what is the current national debt per person, say, compared with 12 yrs ago

Here yer go

 

https://countryeconomy.com/national-debt/uk

[Newbie to this]

17 minutes ago, Capt Christopher Jones said:

Now answer the previous question > Remind me,what is the current national debt per person, say, compared with 12 yrs ago

Here yer go

 

https://countryeconomy.com/national-debt/uk

https://fullfact.org/economy/labour-and-conservative-records-national-debt/

https://fullfact.org/economy/deficit-down-two-thirds/

https://fullfact.org/economy/interest-payments-national-debt/

http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 15, 2019 by Newbie to this

[oowee]

14 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

 

This is exactly what Im saying , a good proposal gets rubbished by the left before its barely left the mouth of the tory who uttered it..
Because its come from a tory !

Its immature and pathetic, and turns everyone away from the people who run this country , government AND opposition.

 

Because its an immature and pathetic policy to recruit police in isolation. It's spouted for the benefit of the voters with little thought of the implications. It is a waste. They cannot do the job however well trained, however well intended without support across the piste. 

Where is the increase in support services? Ah forgot that does not win votes because its dull. No one wants to hear about working through the problem. Exactly the same with Brexit. The masses love a catch phrase lets give it to them. 

[Rewulf]

5 minutes ago, Capt Christopher Jones said:

Now answer the previous question > Remind me,what is the current national debt per person, say, compared with 12 yrs ago

Here yer go

 

https://countryeconomy.com/national-debt/uk

Strange how they dont give you the per capita graph isnt it ?
Now imagine what those figures would look like with no austerity and 20,000 extra cop wages.

This graph show how debt increased under Blairs labour 

 

Source: Office for National Statistics

 

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6.How much is the general government deficit?

In the financial year ending March 2018, UK general government deficit was £42.9 billion, equivalent to 2.1% of gross domestic product (GDP) (Table 2 and Figure 2); the lowest annual deficit since the financial year ending March 2002 when it was 0.4%. This represents a decrease of £4.1 billion compared with the financial year ending March 2017.

In the calendar year 2017, the UK government deficit was £38.2 billion (or 1.9% of GDP), a decrease of £19.6 billion compared with the calendar year 2016.

 

Table 2: General government deficit

UK, financial year ending March 2011 to financial year ending March 2018 and calendar years 2010 to 2017
								£ billion2
Financial years	2010/11	2011/12	2012/13	2013/14	2014/15	2015/16	2016/17	2017/181
Deficit	141.7	124.0	124.0	99.9	89.9	75.5	47.0	42.9
as % GDP	8.8	7.5	7.2	5.6	4.8	3.9	2.4	2.1
Calendar years	2010	2011	2012	2013	2014	2015	2016	2017
Deficit	147.5	123.3	137.2	94.5	99.2	80.2	57.8	38.2
as % GDP	9.3	7.5	8.1	5.4	5.4	4.2	2.9	1.9
Source: Office for National Statistics

13 minutes ago, oowee said:

Because its an immature and pathetic policy to recruit police in isolation. It's spouted for the benefit of the voters with little thought of the implications. It is a waste. They cannot do the job however well trained, however well intended without support across the piste. 

Where is the increase in support services? Ah forgot that does not win votes because its dull. No one wants to hear about working through the problem. Exactly the same with Brexit. The masses love a catch phrase lets give it to them. 

Youre making assumptions they wont have the support, based on what ?

[oowee]

Based on no proposals to invest in them.

[Rewulf]

Here you go , another example of how the opposition just opposes everything, why would you not vote for cleaner air regs ?