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2 hours ago, oowee said:

 What is this thread lol.   More likely because they are unable to make the decisions required to be a manager. Most people 'doing the work'(whatever that is ) are likely to have no idea what management requires and have zero insight into the competing objectives that are often being juggled. 

Sometimes even the most respectful Brexiteers let their guard down. 
 

PS - they forgot teachers 🤣

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9 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

Strange response, fair enough if you don't want to engage in the points arising from the interview 😛  

I took it to show that Tice is pretty much no different to the vast majority of 'politicians' - largely unable / unwilling to answer most questions directly.

 

Which masonic chapter is this? 😉

Donner und Blitzen

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5 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Ill finish it off for you shall I  ?

 

The Bank of England estimates around 4,000 people may have moved by the time Britain has exited the EU. But the key decisions are still taken in London.

Reuters contacted JP Morgan and Goldman, and rivals Citi (C.N), Bank of America (BAC.N), UBS (UBSG.S), Morgan Stanley (MS.N), Credit Suisse (CSGN.S) and Deutsche Bank (DBKGn.DE), to seek details on how a ‘no deal Brexit’ might accelerate the transfer of resources and activities from London.

All banks said they were prepared for a no-deal Brexit, and had been since the first quarter.

Earlier this year, Morgan Stanley’s chief executive, James Gorman, said that he scarcely worried about Brexit.

“That’s not in my top 200 issues,” he said.

British data shows the total number of people employed in the City between 2016 and 2018 overall rose by 31,000, though the total number of people employed specifically in banking and insurance is down 3,000 over the period.

 

My nephew works in investment for Deutsche  bank in London, he trains investment bankers, so he generally knows what hes talking about.
No one in the city is overly concerned about Brexit, in fact they are quite looking forward to it .

😂Brilliant! Nothing like cherry picking (Owee not you ) snippets to suit ones agenda is there!

A sister of OH is a highly qualified (  she turned down Oxford in favour of the London School of Economics )  economist working for a company in Leeds; she has always said no one in her company is unduly worried about us leaving the EU, deal or not. 

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According to that poll above;

  • 46% want to 'leave' (in various degrees)
  • 34% want to remain
  • 21% don't know

Apart from the fact that the total doesn't add to 100% (which leads me to suspect this is a Diane Abbott poll), if 'Don't know" splits 50/50, that makes;

  • 56% leave
  • 44% remain

Another clear win for leave.

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1 minute ago, JohnfromUK said:

According to that poll above;

  • 46% want to 'leave' (in various degrees)
  • 34% want to remain
  • 21% don't know

Apart from the fact that the total doesn't add to 100% (which leads me to suspect this is a Diane Abbott poll), if 'Don't know" splits 50/50, that makes;

  • 56% leave
  • 44% remain

Another clear win for leave.

Nice try John but we both know that many view the TM deal and remaining in the single market / customs union as BRINO so I don't think you can really claim they are in the leave camp, can you?

And then there is the 'lemma' of splitting the don't knows down the middle.

Regarding the rounding to 100, see the footnote 🙂

Surely the more interesting stats would be options people choose under the various future scenarios.

BMG polling results

Same old one third...

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8 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Nice try John but we both know that many view the TM deal and remaining in the single market / customs union as BRINO so I don't think you can really claim they are in the leave camp, can you?

Yes - the key word is leave:  The underlying explanation is that the 'deal' is for the period from the leave date (31 March 2019, 31 Oct 2019, or ???) until 31 December 2020 - when the deal ends.  It is a 'transition deal' with a true leave aspiration following the transition.  My point was very simply that there are more 'leave' than 'remain' - which if I remember right is exactly as per the referendum.

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3 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Labour's agenda has always been to get power to push in their lefty Marxist programme.  Party before electorate.

Be interesting to see who rebels against it, and does what they SHOULD be doing, and put the people who vote for them first, and party second. 

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Corbyn has little support from many of his party MPs.  They know that the lefty policies like 'open borders', mass more immigration, 4 day weeks, re-nationalisation, non nuclear, prop terrorist - are simply note wanted in most constituencies outside London.  Put bluntly - those policies will probably loose them their jobs in an election.

They are the Marxist Utopian dream of the lefty Champagne Socialist set from mainly London that now run Labour with Corbyn as their puppet.

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35 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Labour MPs have been informed that regardless of how good Boris’ Deal is, that if they vote for it, then they won’t be allowed to stand for their party come the next General Election!

So there you have it. 

A bit like what the Cons did on their side then.

51 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Yes - the key word is leave:  The underlying explanation is that the 'deal' is for the period from the leave date (31 March 2019, 31 Oct 2019, or ???) until 31 December 2020 - when the deal ends.  It is a 'transition deal' with a true leave aspiration following the transition.  My point was very simply that there are more 'leave' than 'remain' - which if I remember right is exactly as per the referendum.

Apparently the polls currently suggest a slight tilt to remaining in the EU but of course the issue with polls is that the don't necessarily relate to votes.

Remainers' and Leavers' preferred scenario

What type of engineer were you by the way?

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15 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

I just can't get over how these die hard Labour supporters still think that Labour represent the working man.

They quite simply don't, they are a party for students and spongers, and it is the working man who will pay for it all.

I just can't get over how these die hard brexiteer supporters still think that brexit represents a viable future for the UK. 

It quite simply does not. It is Hobson's choice for the disenfranchised, and those that cannot embrace globalism. It is the working man and everyone else who will pay for it all. 

 

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43 minutes ago, oowee said:

I just can't get over how these die hard brexiteer supporters still think that brexit represents a viable future for the UK. 

It quite simply does not. It is Hobson's choice for the disenfranchised, and those that cannot embrace globalism. It is the working man and everyone else who will pay for it all. 

 

I cant get over how these die hard remainers cant get over they lost the referendum vote :yes:

You see, claims of intellectual integrity aside, just because you and the minority THINK its the wrong decision, doesnt mean its the wrong decision.
Because WE have decided DEMOCRATICALLY that thats what WE want to do.

Whats hard about that?

So then we get the  'We need to change the rules' or 'We shouldnt have had a referendum' Because what YOU wanted didnt come to fruition !

'It is Hobson's choice for the disenfranchised' Because you lost !

'those that cannot embrace globalism.' Because you lost (Plus you make globalism sound like it ISNT a choice)

'It is the working man and everyone else who will pay for it all.' Isnt it always ? We are still paying for the last labour governments 'choices'

Its time to get over what YOU think is best, and get on with what the country has decided to do, and if its the wrong thing , YOU can put your x in the appropriate box next election.
 

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59 minutes ago, oowee said:

I just can't get over how these die hard brexiteer supporters still think that brexit represents a viable future for the UK. 

It quite simply does not. It is Hobson's choice for the disenfranchised, and those that cannot embrace globalism. It is the working man and everyone else who will pay for it all. 

 

I quite simply does not in your chosen version of hypothetical events, the long and short of it is no one knows.

Overturning a democratic vote, holds far more uncertainty than leaving the undemocratic EU ever will. 

Remaining in the EU also holds far far more uncertainty, a fact that remainers like to ignore.

Let's leave the EU, get on with trading with the rest of the world, if the EU want a FTA then all well and good, if they don't then so be it, It will be as much (if not more) a loss for them, as us!

Merkel (in my opinion) has got it right we will become massive competition, right on their doorstep.

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I haven't checked this thread for a while.

It's a bit like Eastenders.

I can dip in every 6 months for 5 mins and the main characters are still there and the plot line is very similar/repetitive. 

You feel like you've never been away. 😉

 

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4 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

And?

I think it illustrates how little real support there is for remaining these days, especially if this process takes much longer, like it sounds like it will.

The good new is this, IF we extend, and Im not sure thats whats going to happen, we get a GE , then labour gets destroyed.

So every cloud and such...

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