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in the original vote to join common market,all the people i know around my age voted to join[i didn,t] then an im a leaver now,but all these other people have now voted to leave,,,why,,,because we were lied to then,they were under the illusion all things would be equal across europe,wrong,we were lied to by the government and were lied to again by the remoaners.

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my daughter is off out to-nite with a few of her mates ....they are all avid remoaners.....she told me she is nervous and will not be wearing her swazitka armband...:lol:

her husband works all over Europe in his job...he is abroad every other week...and he is still nursing a stonking headache from friday night:lol:

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2 hours ago, ditchman said:

her husband works all over Europe in his job...he is abroad every other week...and he is still nursing a stonking headache from friday night

Went through the EU+Swiss passports queue at Basel Airport last night; whilst a bunch of mis-informed Brits stood sheepishly at the 'Other Passports' line.  Of course, the French Border guard (Basel airport has both Swiss and French security) manning the booth did not disabuse them of this notion.  The Swiss ocifer in the EU+Swiss Nationals booth was, naturally, better informed 🙂

 

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5 hours ago, Retsdon said:

No bias  As usual you're just shooting at the messenger without even looking at the message. 

No bias ?Its a pro EU blog , so of course its biased !

Ive read it again, just to make sure I didnt miss some startling insight into the process..Nope its drivel.

Ill sum it up .
The media didnt report it properly, because the general public wouldnt be interested in the 'intricacies' of trade deals, so dumbed it down for our consumption.
There fore we voted leave, and then after an attempt to reverse the vote, we voted again , via general election to deliver the original vote.

In short, You didnt know what you were voting for, and still dont, the EU is great , blah blah....Now youre going to pay stupid people,blah blah...

Your little addendum,is that every Brexiter on here blindly followed the (supposedly 'Leave' ) media , because they couldnt form an informed opinion on their own ?

Did I miss anything ?

 

 

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which country do you rekon will try to leave next ...before Verhofstadt....gets his way and tightens things up..............i think any country that cant contribute to the pensions of the EU they will let go like dog poo in your hand on a hot summers day

:sick:

do you think the eu is that crazy to take on scotland and have to fund it to the tune of 10 billion every year.......the only way they would do it ...is if 

  1. scotland signed over all its oil
  2. and all of its fishing
  3. and haggis rights
  4. whiskey rights

:lol:

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6 minutes ago, ditchman said:

which country do you rekon will try to leave next ...before Verhofstadt....gets his way and tightens things up..............i think any country that cant contribute to the pensions of the EU they will let go like dog poo in your hand on a hot summers day

Yer, they'd best be quick, I reckon that's what the EU army is being assembled for - to overthrow any other nationalistic tendency country that tries to pull its trousers back up.

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1 minute ago, Dave-G said:

Yer, they'd best be quick, I reckon that's what the EU army is being assembled for - to overthrow any other nationalistic tendency country that tries to pull its trousers back up.

No other country has the balls to make the move!

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just on a tangent........watching poiitics at play on BBC parliament is no longer stressful.................and most of the stress was caused by Bercow..............i wonder is history will do the right thing and put him down as "damaging"..........the more i see of Lidsay Hoyle....the more i realise that our parliament was not ours...it was owned and run by Bercow..

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2 minutes ago, TRINITY said:

Saw Barnier tonight saying a Canada type deal is not acceptable to the EU. Apparently we are geographically too close to them and they are afraid it would give us an economic edge

Barnier at the end of the day will be told/advised what is acceptable by industry...........cause if the EU start to think for themselves ...for themselves, industry and the countries will linch them

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1 hour ago, ditchman said:

just on a tangent........watching poiitics at play on BBC parliament is no longer stressful.................and most of the stress was caused by Bercow..............i wonder is history will do the right thing and put him down as "damaging"..........the more i see of Lidsay Hoyle....the more i realise that our parliament was not ours...it was owned and run by Bercow..

here you go ditchy

 

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17 minutes ago, ditchman said:

Barnier at the end of the day will be told/advised what is acceptable by industry....

You mean he'll be told to maintain the integrity of the Single Market? But you're right, Barnier will certainly do what he's been told to do. And what that might be has been agreed and is all there in black and white.

 https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/communication-annex-negotiating-directives.pdf

 

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28 minutes ago, TRINITY said:

Saw Barnier tonight saying a Canada type deal is not acceptable to the EU.

Does it matter? The view of CETA as a desired outcome for Britain - from a Canadian.

As a Canadian, I would urge you to look carefully at NAFTA2 (aka U-SCAM) to see how well you're likely to fare in free trade negotiations with the US. And don't forget that we had the additional leverage of bilateral trade volumes of ~ $700 billion per year, which rivals and - in many years exceeds -  US trade with China. With less than half that, you will of course have less leverage, but I'm sure Donald's fondness for Boris and Nigel will lead to massive concessions. And if that fails, your plan to restore trade with your old commonwealth partners will always provide a backstop. For example, UK-Canada bilateral trade is $12 billion per year, on par with the North American breakfast cereal market, which will go a long way to offsetting lost European commerce.

So by all means, burn your bridges with Europe with your malignant posturing. And keep repeating the delusional mantra that the UK has "the 5th largest economy in the world", without putting that into context. Your GDP (with a labor force of 34 million) is less than that of California (with a labor force of 19 million). And on a per capita basis, the numbers look even worse. Were you a US state, your per capita GDP would put you at #39, somewhere between Tennessee and Mississippi (economic powerhouses all).

And for those who dream of CETA (the Canada-EU free trade agreement that took 7 years to negotiate and was almost scuttled at the last minute because, as an FTA, it required a Belgian regional parliament to ratify its terms):

The relative success of CETA could be measured in many ways: the growth of Canadian exports to the European Union... At the end of the first year, there were periods when Canada actually exported less than it did before the deal. Even adding in the modest growth in the year prior to ratification, overall year-on-year growth was less than 1%. The growth in imports from the European Union, on the other hand, was strong: over 12 per cent in the same time period.


Dream on Britannia.

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2 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

You mean he'll be told to maintain the integrity of the Single Market? But you're right, Barnier will certainly do what he's been told to do. And what that might be has been agreed and is all there in black and white.

 https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/communication-annex-negotiating-directives.pdf

 

  1. it is a recommendation
  2. it will be what it will be
  3. its just a framework
  4. bull excrement baffells brains

if all of us truly believe that is the final biblical say.......................................................

 

what we will end up with will bear little resemblence to that dictorial tomb

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13 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

Does it matter? The view of CETA as a desired outcome for Britain - from a Canadian.

As a Canadian, I would urge you to look carefully at NAFTA2 (aka U-SCAM) to see how well you're likely to fare in free trade negotiations with the US. And don't forget that we had the additional leverage of bilateral trade volumes of ~ $700 billion per year, which rivals and - in many years exceeds -  US trade with China. With less than half that, you will of course have less leverage, but I'm sure Donald's fondness for Boris and Nigel will lead to massive concessions. And if that fails, your plan to restore trade with your old commonwealth partners will always provide a backstop. For example, UK-Canada bilateral trade is $12 billion per year, on par with the North American breakfast cereal market, which will go a long way to offsetting lost European commerce.

So by all means, burn your bridges with Europe with your malignant posturing. And keep repeating the delusional mantra that the UK has "the 5th largest economy in the world", without putting that into context. Your GDP (with a labor force of 34 million) is less than that of California (with a labor force of 19 million). And on a per capita basis, the numbers look even worse. Were you a US state, your per capita GDP would put you at #39, somewhere between Tennessee and Mississippi (economic powerhouses all).

And for those who dream of CETA (the Canada-EU free trade agreement that took 7 years to negotiate and was almost scuttled at the last minute because, as an FTA, it required a Belgian regional parliament to ratify its terms):

The relative success of CETA could be measured in many ways: the growth of Canadian exports to the European Union... At the end of the first year, there were periods when Canada actually exported less than it did before the deal. Even adding in the modest growth in the year prior to ratification, overall year-on-year growth was less than 1%. The growth in imports from the European Union, on the other hand, was strong: over 12 per cent in the same time period.


Dream on Britannia.

Doom, blah, blah, blah, gloom, blah, blah, economic ruin, blah, blah, blah.

Since when does the UK need the EU to stand on its own two feet.

Why not change the record, practically everything else the remainers predicted has been proved wrong, although, I guess you are on a role, no point changing your tune now, you could actually make a prediction that turned out right!

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Just now, ditchman said:

what we will end up with will bear little resemblence to that dictorial tomb

You're correct because it seems that this government isn't interested in any trade deal. And it's very hard to make a deal with people who don't want one. 

The more I hear from this government, or rather from the cabal that masquerades as a national government, the more I'm convinced that there is actually a plan in place to crash the British economy. Many of these people (Raab, Truscott, Gove, Cummings, etc ) are disciples of Friedman and his doctrine that from crisis comes opportunity -  and the evidence is increasingly pointing towards a manufactured economic crisis as their desired outcome.

Whether the ultimate goal is the short term windfall profits of disaster capitalism (as were reaped in Russia, Argentina, Bolivia, etc)  or whether these people are genuinely outright zealots who believe in an economic Year Zero before a rejuvenated Britain rises, Phoenix like, from the ashes is pretty much immaterial.

For the bulk of the country the present course is looking increasingly catastrophic.

3 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

you could actually make a prediction that turned out right!

Quite. At the end of the story the wolf turned out to be real.

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9 minutes ago, Davyo said:

We wont be the last!

Surprised you're quoting a Green Socialist. Incidentally, I agree with everything he says. The EU has been an enabler for trans-national corporations at the expense of local people all across the continent. And unless it starts distributing the wealth more evenly it's going to face increasing opposition from within.

Don't know how that quite squares with Boris's idea to turn the whole of Britain into a regulation free, tax free, zone but there we are.

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2 hours ago, Yellow Bear said:

My money would be on Holland to be the next.

Don't think so. The Dutch are great people and have much in common with the Brits. However they were an original member of the 6. Also in reality they are nothing more that a satellite state of Germany.  If another country decides to bolt, my money would be on one of the Scandinavian countries.

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