terrorist's ?

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Population overload, time to stop breeding?

[Rewulf]

1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Population overload, time to stop breeding?

I think some cultures have already stopped, while others have accelerated , but thats another story.

In other news rap 'artist' slowthai demonstrates what he thinks of our PM , does this qualify as extremism ?

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Have him shot!

[Scully]

5 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Population overload, time to stop breeding?

What do you reckon; we’re all consumers.....from the moment we’re conceived. 

2 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

I think some cultures have already stopped, while others have accelerated , but thats another story.

In other news rap 'artist' slowthai demonstrates what he thinks of our PM , does this qualify as extremism ?

Depends which way you voted, obviously. 🙂

[243deer]

the younger generations are completely right again - obviously

 

[manthing]

So all the farmers move over to plant based food. 

How long until we are reliant on chemical fertiliser? 

What do we do with all the hill farms that arnt suitable for arable farming. 

Oh oh I've got it, we use the hill farms to breed a herd of Super****ter animals so we don't need all that nasty chemical fertiliser. There, I've saved the world for humanity. 

Can't see any problems with any of that, now where is my celebratory steak. 

[oowee]

Pressure for change is growing thats for sure. How impressive to see the youth marching in Scotland yesterday. 

No such awareness of anything significant in my youth. If we had we certainly would not have marched in the street. 

[Rewulf]

5 minutes ago, oowee said:

Pressure for change is growing thats for sure. How impressive to see the youth marching in Scotland yesterday. 

No such awareness of anything significant in my youth. If we had we certainly would not have marched in the street. 

That's because there was no Internet for globalists  to manipulate you. 

[islandgun]

28 minutes ago, oowee said:

Pressure for change is growing thats for sure. How impressive to see the youth marching in Scotland yesterday. 

No such awareness of anything significant in my youth. If we had we certainly would not have marched in the street. 

Hmm lets have a march.. meanwhile we can carry on as normal, safe in the knowledge that we are saving the world 

[Dave-G]

53 minutes ago, oowee said:

Pressure for change is growing thats for sure. How impressive to see the youth marching in Scotland yesterday. 

No such awareness of anything significant in my youth. If we had we certainly would not have marched in the street. 

Wonder who might have laid on all the busses. 

[oowee]

Have a go at the carbon footprint challenge on the WWF web site (cant do a link on phone) its interesting to see the contribution that meat eating makes. 

Most of us are trying to increase the proportion of veg in our diet for health readons if nothing else. Swapping a couple of meals each week to vegetarian is an easy switch to make. 

Getting rid of the Hilux is not so easy. 🤔

[islandgun]

2 hours ago, oowee said:

Have a go at the carbon footprint challenge on the WWF web site (cant do a link on phone) its interesting to see the contribution that meat eating makes. 

Most of us are trying to increase the proportion of veg in our diet for health readons if nothing else. Swapping a couple of meals each week to vegetarian is an easy switch to make. 

Getting rid of the Hilux is not so easy. 🤔

just had a look at the wwf, first page,  options range from do you eat meat at every meal to vegan. [ guess which scores highest ] no option for do you produce and eat meat from a permanent pasture in the British uplands.  or shoot and eat wild game such as pigeon or rabbit,  the whole thing is complete bullshine designed to brainwash the hard of thinking

Edited September 21, 2019 by islandgun

[Rewulf]

Checking out at the store, the young cashier suggested to the much older lady that she should bring her own grocery bags, because plastic bags are not good for the environment,.
The woman apologized to the young girl and explained, "We didn't have this 'green thing' back in my earlier days."
The young clerk responded, "That's our problem today. Your generation did not care enough to save our environment for future generations."
The older lady said that she was right our generation didn't have the "green thing" in its day. The older lady went on to explain: Back then, we returned milk bottles, soda bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and over. So they really were recycled.
But we didn't have the "green thing" back in our day. Grocery stores bagged our groceries in brown paper bags that we reused for numerous things. Most memorable besides household garbage bags was the use of brown paper bags as book covers for our school books. This was to ensure that public property (the books provided for our use by the school) was not defaced by our scribblings. Then we were able to personalize our books on the brown paper bags.
But, too bad we didn't do the "green thing" back then. We walked up stairs because we didn't have an escalator in every store and office building. We walked to the grocery store and didn't climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go two blocks. But she was right. We didn't have the "green thing" in our day.
Back then we washed the baby's diapers because we didn't have the throw away kind. We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy-gobbling machine burning up 220 volts. Wind and solar power really did dry our clothes back in our early days.
Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing. But that young lady is right; we didn't have the "green thing" back in our day.
Back then we had one TV, or radio, in the house -- not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief (remember them?), not a screen the size of the state of Montana.
In the kitchen we blended and stirred by hand because we didn't have electric machines to do everything for us.
When we packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, we used wadded up old newspapers to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap.
Back then, we didn't fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. We used a push mower that ran on human power.
We exercised by working so we didn't need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity. But she's right; we didn't have the "green thing" back then.
We drank from a fountain when we were thirsty instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water. We refilled writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the razor blade in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull. But we didn't have the "green thing" back then.
Back then, people took the streetcar or a bus and kids rode their bikes to school or walked instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour taxi service in the family's $45,000 SUV or van, which cost what a whole house did before the "green thing."
We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And we didn't need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 23,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest burger joint.
But isn't it sad the current generation laments how wasteful we old folks were just because we didn't have the "green thing" back then?
Please forward this on to another selfish old person who needs a lesson in conservation from a smart *** young person. We don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't take much to **** us off... Especially from a tattooed, multiple pierced smart** who can't make change without the cash register telling them how much.

[oldypigeonpopper]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

Checking out at the store, the young cashier suggested to the much older lady that she should bring her own grocery bags, because plastic bags are not good for the environment,.
The woman apologized to the young girl and explained, "We didn't have this 'green thing' back in my earlier days."
The young clerk responded, "That's our problem today. Your generation did not care enough to save our environment for future generations."
The older lady said that she was right our generation didn't have the "green thing" in its day. The older lady went on to explain: Back then, we returned milk bottles, soda bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and over. So they really were recycled.
But we didn't have the "green thing" back in our day. Grocery stores bagged our groceries in brown paper bags that we reused for numerous things. Most memorable besides household garbage bags was the use of brown paper bags as book covers for our school books. This was to ensure that public property (the books provided for our use by the school) was not defaced by our scribblings. Then we were able to personalize our books on the brown paper bags.
But, too bad we didn't do the "green thing" back then. We walked up stairs because we didn't have an escalator in every store and office building. We walked to the grocery store and didn't climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go two blocks. But she was right. We didn't have the "green thing" in our day.
Back then we washed the baby's diapers because we didn't have the throw away kind. We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy-gobbling machine burning up 220 volts. Wind and solar power really did dry our clothes back in our early days.
Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing. But that young lady is right; we didn't have the "green thing" back in our day.
Back then we had one TV, or radio, in the house -- not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief (remember them?), not a screen the size of the state of Montana.
In the kitchen we blended and stirred by hand because we didn't have electric machines to do everything for us.
When we packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, we used wadded up old newspapers to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap.
Back then, we didn't fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. We used a push mower that ran on human power.
We exercised by working so we didn't need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity. But she's right; we didn't have the "green thing" back then.
We drank from a fountain when we were thirsty instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water. We refilled writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the razor blade in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull. But we didn't have the "green thing" back then.
Back then, people took the streetcar or a bus and kids rode their bikes to school or walked instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour taxi service in the family's $45,000 SUV or van, which cost what a whole house did before the "green thing."
We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And we didn't need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 23,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest burger joint.
But isn't it sad the current generation laments how wasteful we old folks were just because we didn't have the "green thing" back then?
Please forward this on to another selfish old person who needs a lesson in conservation from a smart *** young person. We don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't take much to **** us off... Especially from a tattooed, multiple pierced smart** who can't make change without the cash register telling them how much.

hello, excellent post Rewulf, 

[Retsdon]

On 20/09/2019 at 14:58, Scully said:

HUGE extension just completed at Manchester Airport. HUGE extension of one of the London Airports planned. HUGE housing development just completed outside Lancaster. HUGE housing development ongoing in Penrith. HUGE housing development mooted just North of Penrith. HUGE ( 10,000 Houses! ) housing development planned to start (2020?) just South of Carlisle......all as far as I’m aware on ‘green’ land. 

Anyone seeing a connection here?

Anyone? 🙂

Oh.....HUGE stadium build ongoing in Japan so some folk can run around in circles. HUGE extension of London tube just completed. HUGE  tarmac extension of A66 when it is dualled sometime in the next few years. Did I forget HS2? 

Anyone? 

And your examples are just fleas on the elephant that is global development. The degree of change illustrated in this video https://youtu.be/ce_6oZEB9Gw is probably replicated over a lot of the 'developing' world. https://youtu.be/XPd5AmTEkdk?t=168 -  if not the actual speed! ....https://youtu.be/AhLk7L1B_fE?t=52

And it's not just the construction. I can remember sitting on a beach in Thailand in the year 2000 looking out to sea at night. It was lit up like a city out there with all the fishing boats. On that very same beach my Thai friend as very young man (probably in the early 60s) had been unable to land with his father and brother one evening when they sailed round from their village to fish off the shoreline because of two wild tigers playing on the sand. What's more, they and their fellow villagers were the only ones fishing those waters   And now the last time I looked on Google maps the whole length of that beach  - probably 3/4 of a mile  - was built up solidly from the shoreline to 100 yards back. All those Chinese tourists need places to stay.

I think anyone who imagines that the planet can keep taking what's become a virtually exponential increase in the consumption of  global resources is kidding themselves. Eventually it's going to end in tears. 

 

 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Until "WE" cut the birthrate across the world, we will only see a massive acceleration in the destruction of the planet!

 

Stop conceiving, we do NOT have enough resources for you all to keep ******* without any thought to the future!

[Scully]

59 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

And your examples are just fleas on the elephant that is global development. The degree of change illustrated in this video https://youtu.be/ce_6oZEB9Gw is probably replicated over a lot of the 'developing' world. https://youtu.be/XPd5AmTEkdk?t=168 -  if not the actual speed! ....https://youtu.be/AhLk7L1B_fE?t=52

And it's not just the construction. I can remember sitting on a beach in Thailand in the year 2000 looking out to sea at night. It was lit up like a city out there with all the fishing boats. On that very same beach my Thai friend as very young man (probably in the early 60s) had been unable to land with his father and brother one evening when they sailed round from their village to fish off the shoreline because of two wild tigers playing on the sand. What's more, they and their fellow villagers were the only ones fishing those waters   And now the last time I looked on Google maps the whole length of that beach  - probably 3/4 of a mile  - was built up solidly from the shoreline to 100 yards back. All those Chinese tourists need places to stay.

I think anyone who imagines that the planet can keep taking what's become a virtually exponential increase in the consumption of  global resources is kidding themselves. Eventually it's going to end in tears. 

 

 

Indeed they are, they were simply the ones from the top of my head at the time. 

Whilst in Turkey ( I think, some holidays just seem a blur to me now!) some years ago we visited a beach where David Bellamy had made a film about Giant Turtles burrowing into the sand to lay their eggs, and was told by the guide that their Government was in a constant battle with a German holiday firm which persistently kept applying to build a hotel right on the beach! He said it was a huge consortium, and the incentives were very attractive. Don't know if they ever succeeded. 

[das]

On 20/09/2019 at 13:00, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Population overload, time to stop breeding?

One, maybe two to replace a couple, after that a large quantity of thin twine or a ton of lamb rings should sort it out and prevent litters.

[Retsdon]

42 minutes ago, Scully said:

as told by the guide that their Government was in a constant battle with a German holiday firm which persistently kept applying to build a hotel right on the beach!

There'll soon be nowhere left. Last year I took a trip over to Myanmar and went fishing with this guy. https://youtu.be/hUM6qbvvBLc . As we were travelling around on the bikes he was constantly stopping and pointing out whole sections of beach land that had been bought up by big companies. Another couple of years and it'll have gone the same way as Thailand.

 

[oowee]

5 minutes ago, das said:

One, maybe two to replace a couple, after that a large quantity of thin twine or a ton of lamb rings should sort it out and prevent 

Population must play a part but consumption is surely more critical. A third world population with limited use of resources is likley to be more sustainable with 5 children than a family in the West with 1.

Until we get away from measuring success by increasing GDP we are likley to be facing a loosing battle. 

[bluesj]

as agriculture accounts for 10% (36 mt for all agriculture so meat and dairy are a % of that) of co2 emissions in the uk changing what and how you eat isn't going to make a great deal of difference but cut air travel by less than 25%  would more than cover it. I think people should sort out their priorities, I for one will eat meat and dairy and not fly off on holiday.

People will also have to get used to eating second grad food if they don't wont meat and dairy as anything not up to standard for human consumption is feed to livestock, not that much is produced just for livestock. 

[silver pigeon69]

6 hours ago, Retsdon said:

There'll soon be nowhere left. Last year I took a trip over to Myanmar and went fishing with this guy. https://youtu.be/hUM6qbvvBLc . As we were travelling around on the bikes he was constantly stopping and pointing out whole sections of beach land that had been bought up by big companies. Another couple of years and it'll have gone the same way as Thailand.

 

Don't take this the wrong way but do you not think this post is ironic? You being a tourist in Myanmar, viewing and complaining about the effects of tourism. 

[Retsdon]

8 hours ago, silver pigeon69 said:

You being a tourist in Myanmar, viewing and complaining about the effects of tourism. 

Well, my house and family are in Thailand so I didn't travel half the world to get there. I took the train and the local bus from the border.

But yes, fundamentally you're correct. As often as not we end up destroying what we love. But of course, for the people there, they can't eat the scenery so I don't think I have the right to begrudge them the means to make some money from their situation.

But more often that not they're not the ones who make the money. That goes to the big boys in the boardrooms miles away. It's a moral dilemma. 

Edited September 22, 2019 by Retsdon

[TIGHTCHOKE]

14 hours ago, oowee said:

Population must play a part but consumption is surely more critical. A third world population with limited use of resources is likley to be more sustainable with 5 children than a family in the West with 1.

Until we get away from measuring success by increasing GDP we are likley to be facing a loosing battle. 

So how do you propose we should measure success?

[Walker570]

On 20/09/2019 at 13:00, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Population overload, time to stop breeding?

100% correct.  

16 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Until "WE" cut the birthrate across the world, we will only see a massive acceleration in the destruction of the planet!

 

Stop conceiving, we do NOT have enough resources for you all to keep ******* without any thought to the future!

So true.  One thing I do not agree with JRM on, but there again he is screwed by his religion and that opens a huge can of worms.