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3 hours ago, Hamster said:

Not everyone agrees

 

 

Indeed;

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far right is being defined as an umbrella term that encompasses those individuals and organisations whose political outlook is more extreme or hardline than those of the centre-right of the political spectrum, primarily on issues such as race,culture, immigration, or identity. In practice, this usually means a belief in exceptionalist nationalism of either a race or country rather than mere patriotism. Coupled with this is a belief that the nation (either geographic or racial) is in decay or crisis and radical action is required to halt or reverse it. The ‘nation’, however defined, usually includes an in-group that is under threat and an out-group/enemy, usually now identified as Islam and Muslims though this can be any minority community.

 

3 hours ago, Fatcatsplat said:

If either ever had the mindset to actually get organised and go beyond being very angry online or in the pub, then i might be worried, but it's all a mixture of thickies, wannabes and the Peoples Front of Judeah

I would love to be on the "terraces" when the Football Lads Alliance and their splinter group the Democratic Football Lads are there.... "Splitters!"

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36 minutes ago, henry d said:

far right is being defined as an umbrella term that encompasses those individuals and organisations whose political outlook is more extreme or hardline than those of the centre-right of the political spectrum, primarily on issues such as race,culture, immigration, or identity. In practice, this usually means a belief in exceptionalist nationalism of either a race or country rather than mere patriotism. Coupled with this is a belief that the nation (either geographic or racial) is in decay or crisis and radical action is required to halt or reverse it. The ‘nation’, however defined, usually includes an in-group that is under threat and an out-group/enemy, usually now identified as Islam and Muslims though this can be any minority community.

Comes as a complete definition not a pick n mix, but a person could be a "shooter" and be far right as well.

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48 minutes ago, henry d said:

far right is being defined as an umbrella term that encompasses those individuals and organisations whose political outlook is more extreme or hardline than those of the centre-right of the political spectrum, primarily on issues such as race,culture, immigration, or identity. In practice, this usually means a belief in exceptionalist nationalism of either a race or country rather than mere patriotism. Coupled with this is a belief that the nation (either geographic or racial) is in decay or crisis and radical action is required to halt or reverse it. The ‘nation’, however defined, usually includes an in-group that is under threat and an out-group/enemy, usually now identified as Islam and Muslims though this can be any minority community.

I did read it and the massively antisemitic and Marxist momentum movement are more extreme and /or hardline than the centre right.

25 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said:

So using this take the massively antisemitic and Marxist momentum movement in the current "socialist" parties are actually extreme right wingers  -  pull the other one.

 

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You can't be on the right if you are on the left, or am I missing something?

It would read; far left...blah... whose political outlook is more extreme or hardline than those of the CENTRE LEFT of the political spectrum... If it was defining the extreme left wing.

Hopefully that explains it a bit better for you, as with scully it's not a pick n mix.

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According to the definition you posted I'm centre-right. I'm assuming all shooters sympathising with far right movements should inform their FEO forthwith?

I'm still not sure where that definition leaves those who actively participate in attempts to have the result of a democratic vote overturned or indeed ignored. By anyones definition its extreme. 

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6 minutes ago, henry d said:

You can't be on the right if you are on the left, or am I missing something?

It would read; far left...blah... whose political outlook is more extreme or hardline than those of the CENTRE LEFT of the political spectrum... If it was defining the extreme left wing.

Hopefully that explains it a bit better for you, as with scully it's not a pick n mix.

Is far right violence , different to far left violence ;)

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28 minutes ago, Scully said:

According to the definition you posted I'm centre-right. I'm assuming all shooters sympathising with far right movements should inform their FEO forthwith?

The definition is for far right extremism, it does not define centre right. If you are thinking of doing or planning anything violent or to assist others to plan/doing violent acts then, I would bypass the FEO and just hand yourself into the nearest nick, but I'm sure you are not.

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11 minutes ago, henry d said:

The definition is for far right extremism, it does not define centre right. If you are thinking of doing or planning anything violent or to assist others to plan/doing violent acts then, I would bypass the FEO and just hand yourself into the nearest nick, but I'm sure you are not.

So even if you think about doing anything violent you need to hand yourself in ?

I wonder what the police would say if you did just that, maybe arrest you for wasting police time ?

Have we reached the age of'thought crime ' already ...?

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Really? It defines far right as an extreme version of centre right, unless I’ve read it wrong.....’more extreme or hardline of the centre-right’, therefore centre-right is simply a diluted, or more tolerant version of far right. Simples. 🙂

What does that make someone who actively campaigns to have the democratic process such as the referendum result, overturned or ignored? 

 

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50 minutes ago, Scully said:

Really? It defines far right as an extreme version of centre right, unless I’ve read it wrong.....’more extreme or hardline of the centre-right’, therefore centre-right is simply a diluted, or more tolerant version of far right. Simples. 🙂

pretty much

What does that make someone who actively campaigns to have the democratic process such as the referendum result, overturned or ignored? 

 

A campaigner, they are doing something that they are legally allowed to do, they aren't shooting, stabbing, driving a vehicle, or whatever violent method they use, on innocent people.

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20 minutes ago, henry d said:

A campaigner, they are doing something that they are legally allowed to do, they aren't shooting, stabbing, driving a vehicle, or whatever violent method they use, on innocent people.

AFTER the implementation of the result I could agree with. Trying to stop that result being implemented makes them many things in my view, none of them pleasant. Quite an ‘extreme’ act to boot.

You sure about the violence on innocent people part? 🤔

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Oh what a mess. Left or right we seem to always want to pigeon hole people. Both left and right can be evil... but it seems lately that its acceptable to be leftist and shout about it, but not if your right leaning.

Both extremes seem to be the same...hitler was regarded as nazi and right wing... but his party was...the national socialists?

Hmmmm

 

 

 

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