Greta Thunberg

[oowee]

6 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

I buy lots of stuff from China, there is virtually NO control on standards, you are confusing tariffs with standards.
The EU thinks if it puts tariffs up it controls quality, it doesnt do anything of the sort ! It just makes the EU money.

India does a roaring trade in prescription only generic drugs like viagra , tamiflu ect, there are NO controls on these coming in, none that work anyway.

Theres a huge difference between thinking youve made rules, so you have aquitted your responsibility, and making sure markets and standards are respected.
Profits being the driving factor.

Refusing to sign a trade agreement !! Yeah thats going to scare them to death !

Theyll keep burning rainforest until people like your Greta lobby them that hard, theyll give them whatever they want, usually called 'foreign aid'
That oil that keeps the wheels turning in the upper echelons .

And if that fails , they will get freedom and democracy at the tip of an AGM 114.

Even Australia is responding to EU demands to improve environmental standards (petrol) as part of it's trade agreement. It does work it might not be perfect but it works. 

The EU ,  FTA deal with Brazil (mercouser countries) being suspended has already put pressure on Brazil to change its tack.. The days of bombing people into slavery are long gone i hope. 

[henry d]

2 hours ago, fern01 said:

Good chart which says it all really and  indicates where Greta should toddle off to and make a few speeches. While she is there she may like to sample some of the rivers as well.

The chart looks quite horrifying when you first look at it, probably just ripped from google images (?), but does not explain why everyone is at 0% in the year 2000. This and other graphs need to be looked at in context and that one was not in context in the slightest.

I`d like to know where it was originally taken from

[Rewulf]

3 minutes ago, henry d said:

The chart looks quite horrifying when you first look at it, probably just ripped from google images (?), but does not explain why everyone is at 0% in the year 2000. This and other graphs need to be looked at in context and that one was not in context in the slightest.

Its about GROWTH of carbon output.
We have reduced ours as the graph shows, whilst China has increased theirs by 200+%

 

4 minutes ago, henry d said:

I`d like to know where it was originally taken from

Tells you at the bottom of the graph.

Anyone would think you dont believe the figures,
Maybe you think China with its 1.4 billion citizens dont produce a lot of greenhouse gas ?

Or maybe just google China carbon emissions ?

[Gordon R]

It doesn't say anyone was zero percent. The graph shows the decrease or increase of any country from their starting point in 2000.

[Rewulf]

10 minutes ago, oowee said:

Even Australia is responding to EU demands to improve environmental standards (petrol) as part of it's trade agreement. It does work it might not be perfect but it works. 

Again taxes and tariffs, it doesnt STOP anything, theyve put pressure on , but it makes them money.

How about an outright ban on stuff? 

12 minutes ago, oowee said:

The days of bombing people into slavery are long gone i hope. 

Dont be ridiculous 

Standard US  operating procedure.
 

[henry d]

4 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

It doesn't say anyone was zero percent. The graph shows the decrease or increase of any country from their starting point in 2000.

Which is what I was getting at as its a bit, shall we say, selective?

[Rewulf]

5 minutes ago, henry d said:

Which is what I was getting at as its a bit, shall we say, selective?

A bit like your thinking then ? 🙄

[ditchman]

i rekon Greta has "shot her bolt"...in New York..........she will now be binned with the lefty nutters and on the sidelines.......her advisors have been rumbled an run out of retoric..

she is too dangerous to be associated with 

[SpringDon]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

Lets get this straight re India and China. It is the West that exports it's pollution to China and India through it's consumption. 

It is cheaper to get stuff made in China and India as the wages are lower and the environmental standards are less than ours hence the reduced costs. Their pollution is our pollution. We can demand higher standards from them and they will comply to retain our business but it will cost more so we don't do it. 

 

Rain forest. It's perfectly understandable that Brazil will want to exploit's own resources just as we exploited our own and others resources in the past.  If the rain forest is indeed the lungs of the world then in my view the world ought to be paying Brazil to keep it that way. 

I have ( and I find this very difficult to say) to agree with you completely.  Of course we have been exporting our inflation to Asia for years. How else can average workers in the west afford the technology that’s readily available on the high street? We can then wash our hands, bask in our enlightened environmental and workplace standards; then point and tut at the dirty people making our stuff.

If all the money spent on conferences and flying experts around was sent straight to Brazil, that might be a start.

[islandgun]

The carbon balance of Boreal and tropical forests are very similar, it represents 30% of the worlds forest cover stretches from Norway to Japan including most of Canada, much of it is in good hands [with one or two exceptions] hope this helps..😉...However correcting soil degradation is the most important way forward but seldom gets a mention when people want to save the world. [livestock can/do play an important part in preventing degradation]

https://www.iucn.org/resources/issues-briefs/land-degradation-and-climate-change

[oowee]

5 minutes ago, islandgun said:

The carbon balance of Boreal and tropical forests are very similar, it represents 30% of the worlds forest cover stretches from Norway to Japan including most of Canada, much of it is in good hands [with one or two exceptions] hope this helps..😉...However correcting soil degradation is the most important way forward but seldom gets a mention when people want to save the world. [livestock can/do play an important part in preventing degradation]

https://www.iucn.org/resources/issues-briefs/land-degradation-and-climate-change

That is a very interesting article on something I was unaware of. Not sure i fully understand some of it but I will read some more 👍

 

[bluesj]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWahKIG4BE4

[Dougy]

Who is she ? 

Never heard of her, is she some kind of celebrity ? 

Further more, shes not eating at my table so not really bothered. 

[welsh1]

When the script isn't being written for you.
 

 

[southeastpete]

14 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

When the script isn't being written for you.
 

 

Ohh that’s awkward!

[B725]

Oh dear the puppet don't work when the strings aren't attached. In some way you have to feel sorry for her but her parent's should never allowed her to be in that situation. 

[Dougy]

Thats commonly known as -

"getting too big for your boots"

 

[Dave-G]

She's sunk herself.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

10 hours ago, B725 said:

Oh dear the puppet don't work when the strings aren't attached. In some way you have to feel sorry for her but her parent's should never allowed her to be in that situation. 

Her parents engineered her as their mouthpiece and the whole shebang has now got out of control!

[Gordon R]

I started out thinking she was an idiot,  seeking publicity for herself, not her cause. I now feel genuinely sorry for her. The more clips I see the worse it gets. 

[islandgun]

15 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

I started out thinking she was an idiot,  seeking publicity for herself, not her cause. I now feel genuinely sorry for her. The more clips I see the worse it gets. 

I think she is a well meaning young lady but is now a victim,  if her parents cared for her they would collect her and get her back in school, mind you Its going to be hard for the media to find a better replacement,  perhaps a displaced native Amazonian..😐 

[Gordon R]

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 perhaps a displaced native Amazonian..😐

With pigtails and some coaching.

[islandgun]

7 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

With pigtails and some coaching.

You saw it here first..😉

[Gordon R]

I doff my cap.😉

[islandgun]

3 hours ago, Gordon R said:

I doff my cap.😉

ha ha... Do you not fancy the job ?  I notice there are 300 languages in the Amazon, so it shouldnt be that hard to be not understood, the other thing is that you will have to wear your willy in a sling..😎