TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 I really hope the council are resolute in their dealings with the court. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-49878737 Shocking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peck Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 I understand why the council is concerned , but really is it an eyesore? its at the end of a lane and appears only able to be seen from the viewpoint the foto was taken and with the help of some quick growing trees it would not be seen in a couple of years.. Let him keep it but make him pay for the privilege. A really hefty fine and reprimand in my opinion would be suffice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 minute ago, peck said: I understand why the council is concerned , but really is it an eyesore? its at the end of a lane and appears only able to be seen from the viewpoint the foto was taken and with the help of some quick growing trees it would not be seen in a couple of years.. Let him keep it but make him pay for the privilege. A really hefty fine and reprimand in my opinion would be suffice. I agree - the fine should be the estimated cost to put the land back to as it was - + 50% plus use of ramp for local kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 The council would normally charge him around £30 k just to grant the permission .they are annoyed cos they havent been able to screw him out of the money for the permission,. For doing nothing . So now they either want him to pay extra or knock it down . How it looks and its environmental impact has nothing to do with it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 I was expecting a house not garage tennis court and skate ramp, I'm with Stu, the council want their cut, it's hardly impacted the area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 This makes me so angry. Why in the world does someone have the right to destroy someone’s else’s property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 To put this into perspective, it might help to scroll down the link to, "more on this story" which will help explain where the local councillors are coming from. Sooner or later the foggy dews will realise too late what they have done and having ruined the landscape which was the reason they moved in the first place, will move on elsewhere leaving the locals to put up with their mistakes. I simply don't know about this so will pass no comment other than to point out that the application is beyond a tree line which one might think is/was the property's natural boundary. For those who are not familiar with the area and do not understand, then this kind of development is insidious and we would liken it to the oft heard phrase which sorely affects us - death by a thousand cuts 40 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said: This makes me so angry. Why in the world does someone have the right to destroy someone’s else’s property. What would you do if one morning you woke up to find some realtor (I think that's right) had built some 10.000 houses in the most scenic parts of the Yellowstone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 hello, have you ever been in one of his stores ? only wealthy tourists shop in Oxford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Ultrastu said: The council would normally charge him around £30 k just to grant the permission .they are annoyed cos they havent been able to screw him out of the money for the permission,. For doing nothing . So now they either want him to pay extra or knock it down . How it looks and its environmental impact has nothing to do with it . £30K I take it you understand these sort of things but £30K really, when I applied for planing consent years ago for something I seem to recall it being about £30 so how does it get multiplied by 1000. I googled these specific developments and found the rules as detailed bellow and can only find with possibly two exceptions marked with * no reason for him to comply. Planning consent for tennis courts… Under normal circumstances, the construction of a tennis court does not require planning permission in the gardens behind a private house. The planning rules for tennis courts come under and are specifically mentioned in the general rules for outbuildings which state that an enclosure below a height of three metres does not require planning consent. There are just six reasons why you would need planning permission for a tennis court. The house is listed. *Permitted development rights have been removed.* *The house is in an area of outstanding natural beauty or national park.* Significant civil engineering works are required. It would be more than 50% of the garden, It is not in the garden Garages, sheds and other outbuildings Outbuildings such as sheds, garages, greenhouses and some other structures are also considered to be permitted development. You can build a garage or outbuilding on your property without planning permission as long as it’s of a reasonable size – no higher than 4 metres. Do bear in mind though that outbuildings cannot take up more than half of the land around the original property. There are as always exceptions where planning permission is necessary so contact your Local Planning Authority or visit the Planning Portal for further details of planning exemptions for outbuildings. Raised Platforms Skate ramps do not need permission if there is no "deck" as this comes under the raised "verandas, balconies or raised platforms" category To find out more about planning issues, visit the planning portal, a government planing advice website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 We are building a house on private land at the moment and the council want £26k just to grant permission . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 It's his land and it's not exactly a new house or large building. It's tennis court and skate ramp. Call it a carpark or hard standing for cars with security fence, disguised to look like a tennis court, skate ramp no siree windbreak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 Should have chucked this up instead, makes a lovely Ski ramp, and it blends in with the surrounding countryside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: We are building a house on private land at the moment and the council want £26k just to grant permission . What? You cannot pay the Council to grant planning permission. You can make an application which would normally be £462 for each 75m2 of a new dwelling house it must be a huge house / palace 🙂 Edited October 3, 2019 by oowee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 4 hours ago, wymberley said: To put this into perspective, it might help to scroll down the link to, "more on this story" which will help explain where the local councillors are coming from. Sooner or later the foggy dews will realise too late what they have done and having ruined the landscape which was the reason they moved in the first place, will move on elsewhere leaving the locals to put up with their mistakes. I simply don't know about this so will pass no comment other than to point out that the application is beyond a tree line which one might think is/was the property's natural boundary. For those who are not familiar with the area and do not understand, then this kind of development is insidious and we would liken it to the oft heard phrase which sorely affects us - death by a thousand cuts What would you do if one morning you woke up to find some realtor (I think that's right) had built some 10.000 houses in the most scenic parts of the Yellowstone? In yellow stone as in taxpayer purchased land? Or on his private property? Two completely different answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 4 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said: This makes me so angry. Why in the world does someone have the right to destroy someone’s else’s property. I believe it is called the law and either everyone complies or nobody does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 Tricky one this in my opinion. I believe anyone should be able to build anything they want in their own land....up to a point. But where do we draw a line, and whose decision should it be? I don’t have a lot of respect for today’s planning department, or the prices they charge, nor can I figure out their logic most of the time, but I do know money and ‘connections’ make a difference. 🙂 We wouldn’t have many of the magnificent buildings we have today in the UK if planning had been an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 47 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said: In yellow stone as in taxpayer purchased land? Or on his private property? Two completely different answers. The area in question over here is defined as an "Area Of Outstanding Natural Beauty" which I figure so would Yellowstone. When you take into account that England's land mass is the same as Alabama but our population is 66.5m as opposed to Alabama's 4.9, it becomes obvious that without regulation we're in with a pretty good chance of messing things up. TC's last post is on the button. No matter who actually owns what, some form of regulation is essential to conserve our heritage for those who come after us. Once it's concrete and bricks it's gone forever. I do agree that no system is perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Ultrastu said: We are building a house on private land at the moment and the council want £26k just to grant permission . Is that the CIL payment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 I just look at it like this. If you don’t want something built there then buy it and leave it vacant. If a man want a tennis court in his back yard then it should only be his decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said: I just look at it like this. If you don’t want something built there then buy it and leave it vacant. If a man want a tennis court in his back yard then it should only be his decision. Quite agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, Scully said: Quite agree. You don'ty really think that the tennis court was the problem? My money is on the 2 story garage. Some garage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 26 minutes ago, wymberley said: You don'ty really think that the tennis court was the problem? My money is on the 2 story garage. Some garage! I don't think it would have mattered what he'd built, but rather that he didn't apply. Planners don't like being ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 7 hours ago, Scully said: I don't think it would have mattered what he'd built, but rather that he didn't apply. Planners don't like being ignored. This. Its all about some guy trying to prove his job is important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 14 hours ago, wymberley said: England's land mass is the same as Alabama but our population is 66.5m as opposed to Alabama's 4.9, it becomes obvious that without regulation we're in with a pretty good chance of messing things up. I actually just looked that up. I never realized that England was so small. Still doesn’t change my thoughts. You guys need to fire up that navy and get more land mass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said: I actually just looked that up. I never realized that England was so small. Still doesn’t change my thoughts. You guys need to fire up that navy and get more land mass. 😂We had loads of land, but the immigrants kept kicking us out! Edited October 4, 2019 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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