Rewulf Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 58 minutes ago, henry d said: Hmm, not so sure, the AfD have had a gut full and cooked the books. Here's an Analysis How have they cooked the books , the claims have been confirmed. ? Just a twist of words between illegal migrants and asylum seekers. The claim: The deputy leader of the far-right party Alternative for Germany (AfD) said there had been "447 killings and murders" by illegal migrants in Germany last year. Reality Check verdict: The German interior ministry says that in fact last year 27 illegal migrants either committed or attempted to commit murder or manslaughter. The 447 figure refers to killings or attempted killings by all asylum seekers and refugees, most of whom are in Germany legally. Overall crime in Germany has fallen to the lowest level since 1992, but there has been an increase in migrant crime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, Rewulf said: How have they cooked the books , the claims have been confirmed. ? Just a twist of words between illegal migrants and asylum seekers. The claim: The deputy leader of the far-right party Alternative for Germany (AfD) said there had been "447 killings and murders" by illegal migrants in Germany last year. Reality Check verdict: The German interior ministry says that in fact last year 27 illegal migrants either committed or attempted to commit murder or manslaughter. The 447 figure refers to killings or attempted killings by all asylum seekers and refugees, most of whom are in Germany legally. Overall crime in Germany has fallen to the lowest level since 1992, but there has been an increase in migrant crime Lies, damn lies and statistics again eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, panoma1 said: Lies, damn lies and statistics again eh? No Muppets that can't read and digest information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 25 minutes ago, henry d said: No Muppets that can't read and digest information. More insults? Try finding out how many total murders there were in germany in 2018, then work out the percentage committed by refugees/asylum seekers/illegal immigrants. You may have a problem with this though. Digest these stats Share of foreign nationals among 2017 crime suspects Pickpocketing 74.4% Forgery of official documents 55.4% Burglaries 41.3% Rapes and sexual assaults 37% All types 34.7% Social benefit fraud 34.1% Murder and manslaughter 29.7% Share of population 12% Source: Wall Street Journal[36] Main article: Immigration and crime in Germany In 2018, the Wall Street Journal analyzed German crime statistics for crime suspects and found that the foreigners, overall 12.8% of the population, make up a disproportionate share of crime suspects (34.7%), see horizontal bar chart.[36] In 2016, 31.4% of all convicted offenders were foreigners,[37] about 3 times higher than the percentage of foreigners living in Germany.[38] According to the Huntington Post in February 2018, out of each of the 15 state justice ministries, 12,300 Muslims are in prison. This constitutes about 20% of the 65,000 prison population in Germany, proving to be an over-representation. The highest shares are in city states of Bremen (29%), Hamburg (28%) but the share is high also in large states such as Hessen (26%) Baden-Württemberg (26%). The share is lower in the former East Germany.[39 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 On 26/10/2019 at 17:47, henry d said: Germany allows more migrants in than all the other EU countries. Yes but it treats them like second class citizens with lots of restrictions and very few rights so a lot of them soon wise up and want to relocate again to Sweden, Holland and UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 That is different to what I have been reading, they seem to welcome them with open arms and even allow them to claim citizenship which has a lot of requirements but if they really want to be there I`m sure they will go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, henry d said: No Muppets that can't read and digest information. Muppets who believe everything they read, even when those who wrote it plainly have an agenda, more like! 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, henry d said: That is different to what I have been reading, they seem to welcome them with open arms and even allow them to claim citizenship which has a lot of requirements but if they really want to be there I`m sure they will go for it. They do welcome them with open arms its true but the deal is very different to what they would get in the UK. They more or less have to live in migrant hostels, they have to carry a registration card at all times. The German people regard them and treat them as unter menschen ( low life) Edited October 28, 2019 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, panoma1 said: Muppets who believe everything they read, even when those who wrote it plainly have an agenda, more like! 😂 Well that`s the AfD for you 5 minutes ago, Vince Green said: They do welcome them with open arms its true but the deal is very different to what they would get in the UK. They more or less have to live in migrant hostels, they have to carry a registration card at all times. The German people regard them and treat them as low life You are being very general again, lots arrive and get blue card registration and those who are trying to seek asylum usually only average 5-6 months in reception accomodation and some states do not have them in any kind of centre and are usually housed in flats. How many Germans regard and treat them as lowlife? My friend Ms. Krabbenhöft doesn`t have a problem with them at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB1 Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, henry d said: How many Germans regard and treat them as lowlife? Quite a few from what I've seen, and I'm a regular visitor to Germany🥴 It's like walking the gauntlet in many parts of Frankfurt just now😬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, KB1 said: Quite a few from what I've seen, and I'm a regular visitor to Germany🥴 It's like walking the gauntlet in many parts of Frankfurt just now😬 Frau Krabbenhoft say says Nein! They are lovely young men, good looking, virile... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 58 minutes ago, henry d said: Well that`s the AfD for you No, the GIM have an agenda! It agreed with the AfD figure of 447 killings or attempted killings....it just disagreed with the classification, category or status of the foreign nationals who committed these killings or attempted killings? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, henry d said: How many Germans regard and treat them as lowlife? What do you want? Names and addresses? Now you fully realise that questions like that are not really ever going to be answered so why ask them? Its tactical obduration but it only shows your real motives. Look up German migrant crisis and see for yourself what the reality is, riots, a crime wave, rapes, general unrest. Edited October 28, 2019 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 14 minutes ago, Vince Green said: What do you want? Names and addresses? Now you fully realise that questions like that are not really ever going to be answered so why ask them? Its tactical obduration but it only shows your real motives. Not really you were the one giving broad generalisations Look up German migrant crisis and see for yourself what the reality is, riots, a crime wave, rapes, general unrest. Looking pretty good this crisis and it was on page one of Google's search for German migrant crisis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, henry d said: Looking pretty good this crisis and it was on page one of Google's search for German migrant crisis What surprised us is that about a bit more than 50 percent of the refugees are working in skilled jobs, which usually require vocational training certificates or higher certificates, although only 20 percent of the refugee population have such types of certificates," Herbert Bruecker of the Institute for Employment Research (IAB), which helped produce the study, told Al Jazeera" Err, did someone get their sums wrong somewhere? Is that 50 % of ALL the men women and children, who entered and remained? Learned German, and despite not being in possession of written qualifications, went on to gain these highly skilled jobs? I think someone's pulling your plonker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 55 minutes ago, Rewulf said: What surprised us is that about a bit more than 50 percent of the refugees are working in skilled jobs, which usually require vocational training certificates or higher certificates, although only 20 percent of the refugee population have such types of certificates," Herbert Bruecker of the Institute for Employment Research (IAB), which helped produce the study, told Al Jazeera" Err, did someone get their sums wrong somewhere? Is that 50 % of ALL the men women and children, who entered and remained? Learned German, and despite not being in possession of written qualifications, went on to gain these highly skilled jobs? I think someone's pulling your plonker. Well it was Al Jazeera...….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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panoma1 Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Newbie to this said: Another contributory factor as to why the waiting times for NHS treatment are the worst on record?.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 1 minute ago, panoma1 said: Another contributory factor as to why the waiting times for NHS treatment are the worst on record?.......... Another factor, the left will blame the is a shortage of doctors Torys for lack of cash forgetting that is takes a minimum of 10 years to train a doctor, add to this a couple of years to expand place numbers at unis and it becomes obvious that the last labour government was more than lax in this department. A further factor is the high drop out rate in the first 5 years and to some extent the 2 years post grad. Money whist being a small factor work required is the main one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 Yeah, too many immigrants and problems training doctors, nothing to do with us not having enough nurses, iirc we need to recruit around 3 times as many as we do now, or that the fags, booze and fast food culture of the past 40-50 years has anything to do with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 At least your not blaming old people not dying as some do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 Just now, Newbie to this said: At least your not blaming old people not dying as some do! Yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: At least your not blaming old people not dying as some do! Ah, a spin on changing age demographics in the UK? So are people living longer and therefore having more health problems over a longer period of time or not? Another factor in a leaky NHS perhaps? 6 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: Yet No, not blaming old people for not dying, but can you say that old people (like me) who are living longer are not also a factor in the NHS not coping, along with the above possible reasons. It's not all about immigrants, if it was the solution would be simple but as the saying goes; for every complex problem there is a simple solution, and it is invariably wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, henry d said: Yeah, too many immigrants and problems training doctors, nothing to do with us not having enough nurses, iirc we need to recruit around 3 times as many as we do now, or that the fags, booze and fast food culture of the past 40-50 years has anything to do with it? Hundreds, more likely thousands of suitably qualified bright young hopefuls fail to get places to train as doctors and nurses every year. Apart from the loss to the country its a tragedy for the kids who could have been on the road to a respectable career and a totally different life. Instead the NHS has systematically closed the nurses schools to the point where they don't exist anymore. Years ago every hospital trained its own nurses, and paid them to train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Hundreds, more likely thousands of suitably qualified bright young hopefuls fail to get places to train as doctors and nurses every year. Apart from the loss to the country its a tragedy for the kids who could have been on the road to a respectable career and a totally different life. Instead the NHS has systematically closed the nurses schools to the point where they don't exist anymore. Years ago every hospital trained its own nurses, and paid them to train. Another factor that is not immigration based then? Great to see some critical broad based thinking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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