The Next General Election.

[henry d]

21 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

Perhaps the free healthcare plays the biggest part! I've already stated that in my opinion it is the biggest driver in so many wanting to come to the UK.

If they are that ill how did they manage to get here? Perhaps they are just feeling a bit peaky so they thought a quick trip to the UK sounds like the tonic?

[Mice!]

29 minutes ago, henry d said:

If they are that ill how did they manage to get here? Perhaps they are just feeling a bit peaky so they thought a quick trip to the UK sounds like the tonic?

Sure don't stay in any of the other sunny countries you walked through, with more stringent conditions on housing and health care, come to sunny Britain where everyone is happy to see you. Might there be another reason?

[Gordon R]

oowee - I would suggest 6 million illegals was nearer the mark.

[Scully]

I find it hilarious the number of folk claiming their arguments are based on logic and facts when they are perfectly happy to suspend either or both to claim their side of the debate is the correct one! 😀

[Mice!]

17 hours ago, oowee said:

 

Not content with the reporting of the BBC and looking at the more balanced private media he issues a warning to the BBC  to back off. 

Looking at Johnson today with that picture of the boy on the floor of the hospital and you realise just how far removed from the reality of life for some he is.

Anyone seriously doubt that the tories are now on the far right of politics? 

 

This is the reality of Tory government.

So if the picture is a fake, like Corbyn on the train what does it say about Labour? Doesn't seem like the reality of the Tory Government at all.

[Gordon R]

The photo does not appear to be faked, but I would question the circumstances of how it happened and why.

[Newbie to this]

1 hour ago, henry d said:

If they are that ill how did they manage to get here? Perhaps they are just feeling a bit peaky so they thought a quick trip to the UK sounds like the tonic?

You don't need to be ill to want the security that if anything happened you medical needs are covered!!! For free!!!

[oowee]

3 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

The photo does not appear to be faked, but I would question the circumstances of how it happened and why.

Apparently the breathing apparatus on the child is for an adult. If it is fake and its looking increasingly likely what does it say about the kids parents?

56 minutes ago, Mice! said:

Sure don't stay in any of the other sunny countries you walked through, with more stringent conditions on housing and health care, come to sunny Britain where everyone is happy to see you. Might there be another reason?

Walk? Whats wrong with flying, train or car? 

[Newbie to this]

3 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

The photo does not appear to be faked, but I would question the circumstances of how it happened and why.

Apparently he was taken to hospital by ambulance with suspected pneumonia, but just had the flu and tonsillitis. 

So the picture is real. Whether he had to be laid on the floor is another thing entirely, I have seen Mothers saying if this was my child I would never have put him on the floor, I would have held him if I had to. 

Is it politically motivated? Probably. 

Did the child need to be taken to hospital? Probably not, but I would not want to be the paramedic that made that decision.

Should ALL political parties stop politicizing the NHS? YES 100%, the NHS should be a cross party issue and never used as a political tool.

[Thunderbird]

13 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

Is it politically motivated? Probably. 

I'd say definitely. 

 

13 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

Should ALL political parties stop politicizing the NHS? YES 100%, the NHS should be a cross party issue and never used as a political tool.

Yep. 

[JohnfromUK]

14 minutes ago, oowee said:

......  what does it say about the kids parents?

IF true that it is a fake (and there seem to be pieces of 'fact' on both sides) the parents (in fact the child's mother was present and is alleged to have taken the photo, the father isn't mentioned) have simply exploited a situation involving a child - in much the same way as Greta Thunberg's parents have exploited her.  It is also alleged that the parents are active politically as Labour 'activists', in which case that explains how a whole load of Labour activists were on conveniently on site at the hospital when it all happened and Matt Hancock and entourage arrived (to get fake assaulted).

Agree that the NHS should not be 'politicised', but can't see that ever happening.  There will always be sad stories surrounding the NHS (as well as fantastic ones) because of teh size and complexity of the NHS.  Politicians are nasty ruthless grasping types who will seize any opportunity to score points - on which I note that the odious motor-mouth David Lammy's tongue is already going full tilt on this.

[old'un]

Going to sleep on the floor is the sort of thing kids do, I have seen them go to sleep in the strangest of places, what was wrong with the mother cradling the child in a chair (which were available) or putting two together to make a bed, don’t know what the oxygen mask is about in the picture as it turns out he had a bad cold and tonsillitis.

Think there’s a bit more to this than is being said.  

[JohnfromUK]

We cannot (at present anyway) know if the picture is faked, partially faked, or genuine - what is very clear is that it should not have been used to score political 'points'.

[sportsbob]

I am fairly certain the photo is not faked I am also fairly certain it was staged, there is a distinct difference.

[Elmer Fudd.]

I'm still a bit undecided about my vote direction this coming Thursday.

I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying
points on the two main parties.

On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal  with the ladies
and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh.

And on the other hand..

Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after
the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group. 
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.

So it’s a tricky one really

Edit...….Yeah right!!!

 

 

Edited December 10, 2019 by Elmer Fudd.
added coment

[JohnfromUK]

5 hours ago, sportsbob said:

I am fairly certain the photo is not faked I am also fairly certain it was staged, there is a distinct difference.

Report here that I read (which may in itself be false) but may also be true:

"A good friend of mine is a senior nursing sister at Leeds Hospital - the boy shown on the floor by the media was in fact put there by his mother who then took photos on her mobile phone and uploaded it to media outlets before he climbed back onto his trolley. He was on a hospital trolley in the paediatric A&E having been seen within 20 minutes. I am a nurse myself and am so ****** off with fake news, yes the NHS is a mess mainly caused by people misusing it and lack of elderly care. Think of the nurses and Doctors who are doing their jobs instead of constantly slagging them off. another Momentum."

5 minutes ago, Elmer Fudd. said:

So it’s a tricky one really 🤔

And yet he gets approx 30-35% of votes.  Says something about the British electorate.

[Retsdon]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-nhs-photo-hospital-jack-williment-senior-nursing-sister-fake-tweet-a9240316.html

The kid was on the floor and the hospital apologized to the parents. The 'senior nursing sister' is a figment of someone's imagination. 

But it's all just mud-slinging and emotive memes on both sides. Proper political and economic issues never get an airing and the public doesn't seem in the least bothered. And that's why the choice is between Corbyn's fantasy world Labour party and Johnson's gang of chancers and spivs. As the man said 200 years ago  - all nations get the government they deserve.

[Mice!]

1 hour ago, Elmer Fudd. said:

So it’s a tricky one really 🤔

This bloke would just like you to think he's not posh 

[henry d]

1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:

Report here that I read (which may in itself be false) but may also be true:

"A good friend of mine is a senior nursing sister at Leeds Hospital - the boy shown on the floor by the media was in fact put there by his mother who then took photos on her mobile phone and uploaded it to media outlets before he climbed back onto his trolley. He was on a hospital trolley in the paediatric A&E having been seen within 20 minutes. I am a nurse myself and am so ****** off with fake news, yes the NHS is a mess mainly caused by people misusing it and lack of elderly care. Think of the nurses and Doctors who are doing their jobs instead of constantly slagging them off. another Momentum."

And 100's of others when you search for 10 seconds

[Gordon R]

Whatever the reality, I find it totally unacceptable for the parents to take a photo opportunity for political purposes, using their son. As someone else has pointed out, it's Greta Thunberg, without the death stare and moronic speech.

People have died, whilst on a trolley in a corridor - under Labour and the Tories. Having a cold, lying on the floor, with a strategically placed cover doesn't quite hack it as  genuine tragedy.

[JohnfromUK]

Every time I turn on my radio, John McDonnell is on the BBC.  The impression is that he gets more BBC air time than all other politicians put together.

For the Tories we get Gove, Javid, Hancock, Patel, Raab, Cleverly, Sunak, Barclay, Shapps .........

For Labour we get McDonnell, McDonnell, McDonnell, Long Bailey, McDonnell, McDonnell, Pidcock, McDonnell.  No sign of Abbott, Thornberry, Starmer

[vmaxphil]

Perhaps he's the only one who can come up with a coherent sentence for labour 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

56 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Every time I turn on my radio, John McDonnell is on the BBC.  The impression is that he gets more BBC air time than all other politicians put together.

For the Tories we get Gove, Javid, Hancock, Patel, Raab, Cleverly, Sunak, Barclay, Shapps .........

For Labour we get McDonnell, McDonnell, McDonnell, Long Bailey, McDonnell, McDonnell, Pidcock, McDonnell.  No sign of Abbott, Thornberry, Starmer

 

52 minutes ago, vmaxphil said:

Perhaps he's the only one who can come up with a coherent sentence for labour 

No, no, no, the only coherent Labour Party comment came from the John Ashworth MP the Shadow Health Secrretary yesterday when he admitted on that secretly recorded phone call to Corbyn being their big problem.

[panoma1]

17 hours ago, sportsbob said:

I am fairly certain the photo is not faked I am also fairly certain it was staged, there is a distinct difference.

This...I’m sure there is a sick child in the picture, but the picture has undoubtedly been stage managed, for political gain!

[Raja Clavata]

Just now, panoma1 said:

This...I’m sure there is a sick child in the picture, but the picture has undoubtedly been stage managed, for political gain!

That's fine, you can ignore it then, just like Boris tried to initially.