figgy Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 George Digweed claims he shot crows and pigeons past 60 yards on video. You can watch him yourself. So he is talking out his ***** one way or another. They're smaller than a pheasant, with his pigeon extremes and black gold's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 What we are dealing with here is inexperience simple overestimation of real range, throw a few fluke dropped birds and these chaps are that green they acctualy believe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 24 minutes ago, lancer425 said: What we are dealing with here is inexperience simple overestimation of real range, throw a few fluke dropped birds and these chaps are that green they acctualy believe it. Move it to 3.10 Inexperience? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) So having put the high birders 80 yard claims to rest as pure cock and bull stories. Purely anecdotal now. Supposing we needed to kill to 80 yards with a 12ga shotgun, I do shoot a lot of foxes rifle but i like sport shotgunning for them my gun with a sight indian creek BDS choke various shot types i get out there in range. lots of info on this link might put things into perspective a bit, and give an incling what might be needed for real 80 yards consistentlyhttp://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=777351#Post777351 Edited November 17, 2019 by lancer425 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, lancer425 said: So having put the high birders 80 yard claims to rest as pure cock and bull stories. Purely anecdotal now. Supposing we needed to kill to 80 yards with a 12ga shotgun, I do shoot a lot of foxes rifle but i like sport shotgunning for them my gun with a sight indian creek BDS choke various shot types i get out there in range. lots of info on this link might put things into perspective a bit, and give an incling what might be needed for real 80 yards consistentlyhttp://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=777351#Post777351 Was GD talking rubbish? May be I misheard he said it was 85 yards in which case I stand corrected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 20 minutes ago, button said: Move it to 3.10 Inexperience? What...? .... top of that ash tree is about 80 yards...... Sorry but that’s hardly a unquestionable 80 yard claim is it. ? Nothing i saw in that video was anything other than UNLESS i can see the vitals, ABOUT roughly. If we talk shotguns Diggweed or me we both need gun ammo combination that works at the ranges we want to kill. he cant do it if his ammo wont do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 14 minutes ago, button said: Was GD talking rubbish? May be I misheard he said it was 85 yards in which case I stand corrected You heard correctly. Having watched GD, along with other renown high bird shots shoot with us, I can categorically say his range estimation is spot on. He and others proficient at high birds can and do kill such birds consistently all day long. I'm afraid to say we will never convince those who have never seen such shots in action. What I take exception to is the fact that they resort to basically calling those who can do so, including GD, liars. What they really need to do is get out in the field and see for themselves rather than venting their prejudice and misguided views on the keyboard. You never know, one day they may become good enough to shoot such birds themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, CharlieT said: You heard correctly. Having watched GD, along with other renown high bird shots shoot with us, I can categorically say his range estimation is spot on. He and others proficient at high birds can and do kill such birds consistently all day long. I'm afraid to say we will never convince those who have never seen such shots in action. What I take exception to is the fact that they resort to basically calling those who can do so, including GD, liars. What they really need to do is get out in the field and see for themselves rather than venting their prejudice and misguided views on the keyboard. You never know, one day they may become good enough to shoot such birds themselves. 100% correct While this has had some good points raised. Some of the comments on this thread have been quite unbelievable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 36 minutes ago, button said: 100% correct While this has had some good points raised. Some of the comments on this thread have been quite unbelievable When it comes to pattern testing I find that I can do no other than agree. " Isn't that just as misguided as ignoring one shot in a pattern test because it spoiled the result? " " I would call that a reasonable adjustment to give a more accurate picture " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 48 minutes ago, button said: Was GD talking rubbish? May be I misheard he said it was 85 yards in which case I stand corrected Again, just because he said it, it doesn't make it fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 21 minutes ago, CharlieT said: You heard correctly. Having watched GD, along with other renown high bird shots shoot with us, I can categorically say his range estimation is spot on. He and others proficient at high birds can and do kill such birds consistently all day long. I'm afraid to say we will never convince those who have never seen such shots in action. What I take exception to is the fact that they resort to basically calling those who can do so, including GD, liars. What they really need to do is get out in the field and see for themselves rather than venting their prejudice and misguided views on the keyboard. You never know, one day they may become good enough to shoot such birds themselves. Sorry, how do you know his range estimation is spot on? By the way, I see no prejudice in this thread. I don't think George Digweed is a liar. All I am commenting on is shooting that is beyond the equipment's ability to perform time after time. People dismissing things like shotgun pattern testing is more alarming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 49 minutes ago, motty said: Sorry, how do you know his range estimation is spot on? By the way, I see no prejudice in this thread. I don't think George Digweed is a liar. All I am commenting on is shooting that is beyond the equipment's ability to perform time after time. People dismissing things like shotgun pattern testing is more alarming. Simply because I know the height of my drives and his estimates of presented birds has been spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 18:32, button said: Limiting factor a cartridge? Give a poor shot the right cartridge still won't bring the birds down! I think you are missing `Motty`s` point on the limiting factor ! If you give a poor shot and a real expert a rubbish cartridge, niether will bring the birds down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, wymberley said: When it comes to pattern testing I find that I can do no other than agree. " Isn't that just as misguided as ignoring one shot in a pattern test because it spoiled the result? " " I would call that a reasonable adjustment to give a more accurate picture " Why not think about the context that it was posted in and what it was referring to, to save you time page 7 Edited November 17, 2019 by button Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, CharlieT said: You heard correctly. Having watched GD, along with other renown high bird shots shoot with us, I can categorically say his range estimation is spot on. He and others proficient at high birds can and do kill such birds consistently all day long. I'm afraid to say we will never convince those who have never seen such shots in action. What I take exception to is the fact that they resort to basically calling those who can do so, including GD, liars. What they really need to do is get out in the field and see for themselves rather than venting their prejudice and misguided views on the keyboard. You never know, one day they may become good enough to shoot such birds themselves. https://www.thefield.co.uk/shooting/shoot-pheasants-like-george-digweed-37727 Please read the article. 2 hours ago, button said: Some of the comments on this thread have been quite unbelievable You can say that again, at times I couldn’t tell whether some were on a wind up mission. Edited November 17, 2019 by Hamster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 Quote I've read the article, take it up with GD, tell him it's not helping the thread putting out mixed messages BTW pass on he can't estimate range either according to some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 So what gun load/ shot size /choke are the extreme pheasant shooters on this forum using to cleanly kill these 80 yard birds.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 On estimating range, Eley used to have a page with pheasants at different ranges and the the sizes they would appear to your eye. One of the gun magazines had a similar thing years ago, you pulled out the page and stuck it to a wall. Place your barrels to it to see how much lead at what distance with again birds sized to what your eye would see. 3 minutes ago, lancer425 said: So what gun load/ shot size /choke are the extreme pheasant shooters on this forum using to cleanly kill these 80 yard birds.? If I was going I'd be using Victory mini magnums 40g of three or four shot. Or similar by another maker no tighter than 3/4 choke. Don't want too much pellet damage passing through the chokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, figgy said: On estimating range, Eley used to have a page with pheasants at different ranges and the the sizes they would appear to your eye. One of the gun magazines had a similar thing years ago, you pulled out the page and stuck it to a wall. Place your barrels to it to see how much lead at what distance with again birds sized to what your eye would see. If I was going I'd be using Victory mini magnums 40g of three or four shot. Or similar by another maker no tighter than 3/4 choke. Don't want too much pellet damage passing through the chokes. Ideas on what will get it done clean in a 12ga are for latter, meanwhile we still need to know what these apparently unquestionable 80 yard shooters are using to routinely kill these birds. . Not expecting a rush of info it has to be said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 28 minutes ago, lancer425 said: Ideas on what will get it done clean in a 12ga are for latter, meanwhile we still need to know what these apparently unquestionable 80 yard shooters are using to routinely kill these birds. . Not expecting a rush of info it has to be said. It was stated early in the thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 minute ago, button said: It was stated early in the thread OK i will look back there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 2 hours ago, button said: Why not think about the context that it was posted in and what it was referring to, to save you time page 7 Nope, doesn't wash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) . Edited November 17, 2019 by button Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 I think gd sums it up nicely in this article https://www.thefield.co.uk/shooting/shoot-pheasants-like-george-digweed-37727 Particularly this bit I have seen a lot of high birds shot (and shot at) and, in my opinion, with the modern guns and cartridges available, a true 60-yard pheasant is consistently killable up to that height if you possess the necessary skill. Any higher and you are relying on luck and we need to question seriously whether luck should play any part when it comes to the humane dispatch of a living quarry. I have no reason to doubt his ability or opinion, he's proven himself more than 26 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 6 hours ago, button said: Move it to 3.10 4 minutes ago, GingerCat said: I think gd sums it up nicely in this article https://www.thefield.co.uk/shooting/shoot-pheasants-like-george-digweed-37727 Particularly this bit I have seen a lot of high birds shot (and shot at) and, in my opinion, with the modern guns and cartridges available, a true 60-yard pheasant is consistently killable up to that height if you possess the necessary skill. Any higher and you are relying on luck and we need to question seriously whether luck should play any part when it comes to the humane dispatch of a living quarry. I have no reason to doubt his ability or opinion, he's proven himself more than 26 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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