Retsdon Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 10 hours ago, zipdog said: All Andrew had to do was not hang around with pedophiles There's never been a suggestion that Epstein was a pedophile. Let's not get carried away here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestonSalop Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 I take your point Henry but I wonder what the situation would be if instead of being the arrogant tw*t we know him to be, he was actually a decent individual who despite his priviliged background, had earned the respect of those around him. I'm pretty sure we'd all be defending him if so. He's brought this all upon himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipdog Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, Retsdon said: There's never been a suggestion that Epstein was a pedophile. Let's not get carried away here. Do you get different news to the rest of us in your part of the world? There’s plenty of suggestion, and I would argue good evidence that Epstein was a pedophile dating back to the early 2000’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, zipdog said: Do you get different news to the rest of us in your part of the world? There’s plenty of suggestion, and I would argue good evidence that Epstein was a pedophile dating back to the early 2000’s. I think we have different understandings of the word pedophile. I'm going by the one that's to be found in a dictionary. Edited November 22, 2019 by Retsdon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipdog Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Retsdon said: I think we have different understandings of the word pedophile. Mine is the one in the dictionary. There have been numerous allegations against him by girls saying they were underage at the time (younger than 18), not just one or two. Many cases have been shadily settled out of court too. By all means go to American states where the age of consent is different to the UK with your definition of a pedophile and see how it works out for you. Not very well I wouldn’t think, unless you have the money and connections Epstein had! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, zipdog said: There have been numerous allegations against him by girls saying they were underage at the time (younger than 18), not just one or two. Not arguing about that at all! But a pedophile is, by definition, someone who is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children. These girls were for the most part, 16 and up. Agreed, they were under 18, and there are very good reasons - that I fully agree with - why it is illegal for older men to have sexual relations with girls of that age, even in some US states when the girls are themselves older than the minimum age of consent. None the less his crimes don't qualify him as a pedophile, which is something different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, Retsdon said: Not arguing about that at all! But a pedophile is, by definition, someone who is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children. These girls were for the most part, 16 and up. Agreed, they were under 18, and there are very good reasons - that I fully agree with - why it is illegal for older men to have sexual relations with girls of that age, even in some US states when the girls are themselves older than the minimum age of consent. None the less his crimes don't qualify him as a pedophile, which is something different. Isn’t it common in some areas of the US for men to marry girls under 17? For example didn't Jerry Lee Lewis marry a 13 year old girl? I agree that Epstein can’t correctly be described as a pedophile.....a sex offender in law yes! But not a pedophile! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, panoma1 said: Isn’t it common in some areas of the US for men to marry girls under 17? For example didn't Jerry Lee Lewis marry a 13 year old girl? I You're showing your age!! https://www.ageofconsent.net/states / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_age_in_the_United_States Edited November 22, 2019 by Retsdon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) Quote Not arguing about that at all! But a pedophile is, by definition, someone who is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children. You need to get a new dictionary. He was a paedophile. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/paedophile https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/paedophile Edited November 22, 2019 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Gordon R said: You need to get a new dictionary. He was a paedophile. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/paedophile https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/paedophile A child is a young person below the age of puberty, though in legal terms a child is defined as a person below the age of majority (which was 21 in the 1970’s and is now 18 in the UK) so in law, if a person over 18 had sexual relations with someone under 18 they would be a paedophile? UK law deems you are a child at 18, but allows children to have sex at 16? Edited November 22, 2019 by panoma1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Retsdon said: Not arguing about that at all! But a pedophile is, by definition, someone who is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children. These girls were for the most part, 16 and up Are these ones young enough to qualify? In 2005, police in Palm Beach, Florida began investigating Epstein after a parent complained that he had sexually abused her 14-year-old daughter.[6] Epstein pleaded guilty and was convicted in 2008 by a Florida state court of procuring an underage girl for prostitution and of soliciting a prostitute.[7] He served almost 13 months in custody, but with extensive work release. He was convicted of only these two crimes as part of a plea deal; federal officials had in fact identified 36 girls, some as young as 14 years old, whom Epstein had sexually abused.[8][9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, Gordon R said: You need to get a new dictionary. No, you need a better one than an online learner's version. Paedophilia is a recognized psychological abnormality that has defined parameters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Retsdon said: No, you need a better one than an online learner's version. Paedophilia is a recognized psychological abnormality that has defined parameters. You're not using the Saudi dictionary are you? Their err.. parameters are a little different I believe 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Just now, Rewulf said: You're not using the Saudi dictionary are you? Their err.. parameters are a little different I believe 😂 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/intl/conditions/pedophilia%3famp Epstein wasn't a paedophile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Retsdon said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/intl/conditions/pedophilia%3famp Epstein wasn't a paedophile. Err.. OK He was just a predatory sex abuser and rapist of very young women then,.. Phew! 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Just now, Rewulf said: Err.. OK He was just a predatory sex abuser and rapist of very young women then,.. Phew! 😂 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Just now, Retsdon said: Yes. Back in Blighty, we call older people you have sex with under 16 s, paedos. Probably a bit different in Saudi and Thailand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Quote No, you need a better one than an online learner's version. Paedophilia is a recognized psychological abnormality that has defined parameters. The world knows Epstein for what he was, but you chose to correct another poster. Whilst the term "generally" is applied to paedophiles, the dictionaries are clear - "child". Feel free to argue the toss, but it is a bit pointless. I am at a loss as to why anyone would try to split hairs about a monster. PS - I posted a couple of links, but the medical sites do not support you either. Let it drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 People can try to dress it up this way or that but the guy was clearly a nonce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said: People can try to dress it up this way or that but the guy was clearly a nonce. This, in a nutshell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 companies/charities are leaving him en-masse....its like the retreat from Moscow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Persona non grata Prince without portfolio Leech Waste of space Ex war hero? The list is long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 I wonder how many of the folks that have dumped him , have gone to stay with him at his pad , and partied with him for four days ?, it's the correct way to do these things y'know . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Just now, mel b3 said: I wonder how many of the folks that have dumped him , have gone to stay with him at his pad , and partied with him for four days ?, it's the correct way to do these things y'know . Any that did will certainly be hiding now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Quote People can try to dress it up this way or that but the guy was clearly a nonce. Short, to the point and accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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